T-level as Degree entry

[stubiff]

Any DC starting or in the middle of a T-Level with a view to doing a degree afterwards.
Have you spoken to any Universities.

Back in Sep 2020 some Unis said they wouldn't consider them, but guess that is mainly because a lot of top courses need X subject (A-Level) at Y grade.
www.tes.com/news/3-leading-universities-say-they-wont-accept-t-levels

So, guessing it would only really be relevant to lower entry grades (without subject) or UCAS points-based entries.

I haven't looked into this, but I'm guessing it will be similar to BTECs won't it? With BTECs (Extended Diplomas) you could still go to university but would be limited to courses , either those that specified 'points' rather than A level grades, or those that led on naturally from the BTEC.

Theoretically yes you can go onto university with a T Level.
But in practice, no one’s actually tried to apply yet so we don’t really know how they’ll be received/success rate/how prepared students actually will be for uni.
If you have a young person considering uni, I wouldn’t be suggesting a T Level at this point

@SometimesRavenSometimesParrot
No, not in that position yet.

Was just interested in the current position, particularly for 'digital production, design and development', which some DC may be applying (now) to Uni with.

Just did a random-ish search and Bournemouth say 'We will recognise T Level qualifications at a suitable level (and in a suitable subject, if applicable).'

As you say though, probably too early to tell, and most will be looking for jobs/apprenticeships.

That’s generally the language ‘suitable level’ and ‘suitable subject’ but light on detail which is the worry.
I work closely with a college offering T Levels and when they’ve delivered training for us on them they’ve been very light in detail about how students will be supported to progress to HE with T Levels - they won’t have access to the same programme as the other Level 3 students because of the hours required for the T Level. That could be specific to this college but it’s definitely something to be aware of.

@SometimesRavenSometimesParrot
Interesting about student support from the college.
I guess it's all new to them too.
Things will (need to) change if/when the Gov scraps some/all BTECs.

I did also find Portsmouth (ahead of the game) accepting (for Computer Science) two of the three original T-levels, at Merit (120 UCAS points). Their standard reqs are '112-128 points, including an A Level in a relevant subject, or equivalent.'

Think it’s a mistake to scrap BTECS in favour of T levels.

@Rummikub

Think it’s a mistake to scrap BTECS in favour of T levels.

I agree. I think scrapping the BTECS is intended to push everyone into T-levels, which means an entire cohort of students who haven't achieved the GCSE grades to do a T-level (supposedly 6-9) will have nowhere to go. For a government supposedly intent on 'levelling up' they seem hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot and persisting with the idea that vocational education shouldn't be as respected and supported as the academic route. It's very sad.

Exactly my concern regarding writing off a cohort that BTECs work very well for. Totally agree about the levelling up agenda- how doe this fit??

There was an article in guardian about it. 37% of black uni students enter via btec route.

My foster son did 2 BTECs and 1 A level as his route into university. He did very well and I am very proud of him. He came to me from a very difficult home life involving extreme poverty, caring for his mentally ill mother and living in a household where there were several abusive relationships.

The government is cutting off a route to a better future for people like him. This will hit the poorest from the most deprived communities hardest. Bloody Tories.

Well done to your foster son x

The government haven’t done any joined up thinking about T levels at all. People like your foster son would fall through the net.

In that guardian article working classes and black students benefit from the routes to uni from btec.

Why are they stoping this?

Stopping

Rummikub they are stopping it because this is what they do. They're Tories. They do not care about people who are not middle class and well off. They have form for messing with education - this is just as bad as anything Govey did.

Other countries support vocational education so much better than the UK ever did, and this measure is going to make that divide wider.

I think it’s worse than what gove did. I fear this is going to slide in unnoticed by many. With massive repercussions.

“Other countries support vocational education so much better than the UK ever did, and this measure is going to make that divide wider.”

This is their reasoning to do it. But it’s not fit for purpose.