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Year 12 #2: Carols, commutes & a few stocking fillers

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Stickerrocks · 05/12/2018 21:21

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242Mummy · 05/01/2019 19:58

Oratory I'm keeping a spreadsheet! At the moment, shortlist criteria seems to be in flux as DS' year is the first with numerical grades. Some unis looking at 8s and 9s as A*s, some not, and nothing explicitly stated at the moment. One uni used to weight personal statements and then stopped this year - it's crazy!

We are taking it step by step. Unis should have fixed up their criteria by Spring (hopefully). DS will take early BMAT and UKCAT so we have some idea of where he stands before applying. He is very much appreciating his PA (me) whilst spending all his time working (job, school, volunteering, music).

TheFirstOHN · 05/01/2019 20:27

We asked DS2 what he would like to do for his 17th birthday. He doesn't have many ideas apart from maybe going to the aquarium with DH & me. Which is what he did for his 16th birthday. And the main draw of the aquarium is the gift shop, because he likes buying fish-themed stuff for his collection.

It's things like this that really highlight the difference between him and his peers.

TheFirstOHN · 05/01/2019 21:09

Update: we have found somewhere to take DS2 for his birthday that he's happy with! And it's not the aquarium again!

I don't know if any of you remember, but DS2 really enjoyed a lecture he attended about the relationship between mathematics and music.

The weekend of his birthday, there's an event at the Royal Society hosted by Marcus du Sautoy. The evening starts with an interview with Douglas Hofstadter (of Godel, Escher, Bach fame) and Mahan Esfahani (the harpsichordist) will play some actual Bach along with a piece created by a computer running an algorithm based on Bach's works.

We've managed to get seats in the third row.

abitofastate · 05/01/2019 21:40

DS's plans

Course: maths, probably integrated masters

Will probably apply to Oxford or Cambridge, Warwick.... Not sure where else

Went to Warwick open day last year and liked it

Hoping to go to both Oxford and Cambridge maths open days in April/May to help decide which course he likes best

A levels: maths, further maths, physics and French. (Is taking maths this year)

abitofastate · 05/01/2019 21:42

242Mummy and anyone else who DC is thinking medicine. DD is in her first year of medicine, so we recently went through the process if you have any questions.

EllenJanesthickerknickers · 05/01/2019 21:58

DS3 want to do maths with a PGCE afterwards. Still not sure about predicted grades so haven’t made any plans about universities except they’ll be within 2 hours travel and not London due to cost. He’ll be a maximum loan student.

Have in mind Birmingham, Nottingham, Cardiff, Southampton, Bath, Exeter as higher tier (for him) Leicester, Reading, Swansea as middle tier and we haven’t looked at safer options yet.

First parents’ evening is in a couple of weeks.

DS1 is in his final year at Warwick doing maths if anyone wants any insider knowledge.

Soomaa · 05/01/2019 23:09

TheFirstOHN sounds like something DS1 would enjoy, too. Have fun!

whistl · 06/01/2019 05:36

EllenJane I'd be interested in anything you could tell me about maths at Warwick.

242Mummy · 06/01/2019 09:53

abit Thanks so much for offering to share your experience - always good to hear from other parents. I've been scouring the Medicine thread - some getting offers now, some still going for interviews and some who have heard nothing at all! It's such a prolonged process, nerve wracking. What should DS1 be doing now? Was your DD very independent in her prep for application? DS1 doesn't seem to be but tells me the UKCAT and BMAT are "easy"!!

TheFirst Amazing find! DS1 AND I would love to go to the Music/Math talk - it's his birthday weekend too. Wonder if they are birthday twins?! So far, I've booked a driving lesson on his birthday as a present but no party planned. Suggested he might like to go in to London with friends for a treasure hunt (all done on an app) but he didn't seem keen.

Stickerrocks · 06/01/2019 12:24

Aaagh! DD announced late last night that she needed to talk to us. She isn't enjoying one of her 3 subjects and wants to move to another. She initially pesevered because she didn't want to admit she had made the wrong choice, but it's not taking her in the right direction. The thought of 18 more months has forced the decision.

She is going to contact her tutor tomorrow to see if she can switch and catch up on a term of missing work. They are humanities without coursework and we have the ability to help her catch up. I'm worried that the college will say no, her heart won't be in her current subject and that will drag her down. Three year 6th form is not an option.

Reassurance please.

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LooseAtTheSeams · 06/01/2019 12:54

Stickerrocks Ah! school may take a lot of persuading so dd will need to go in with a really convincing plan. I do sympathise but it isn't easy to catch up on a term's work. And it's a hassle for the teacher.On the other hand, some courses are more modular than others so if she could commit to catching up on missing modules over the summer that might work. What's the subject she'd like to switch to?

TheFirstOHN · 06/01/2019 13:07

Stickerrocks that's tricky. DS1 changed two of his subjects at the October half-term, and it was the right decision for him.
The questions are:
Does the new subject fit into her timetable?
Is there space for her in the class?
Is it the sort of subject where she could go back and cover last term's work later (not accumulative)?

Stickerrocks · 06/01/2019 13:20

It's feasible if the timetable works. She would be switching to politics & she has been doing extra-curricular work on it already. I'm trying to come up with plan Bs if it doesn't work. On the bright side, she has a track record of doing well in things she doesn't enjoy, but it's so hard staying motivated.

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abitofastate · 06/01/2019 13:34

242Mummy yep, medicine is a long drawn out process and it is hard when everyone else seems to be getting offers and you are still waiting, but that's the way it is!

My DD didn't do the bmat as she did well in the ukcat and there weren't any bmat unis she was desparate to apply to. I don't think anyone finds the ukcat easy, but general wisdom seems to be don't do more than 4 - 6 weeks prep for it. I found it stressful and felt that DD wasn't doing as much as she should have but I was clearly wrong!

At the moment he should be doing some volunteering, and hopefully finding things he is learning. Keeping up to date with any NHS happenings is good as they may be asked about at interview.

abitofastate · 06/01/2019 13:35

stickerrocks I hope college are supportive!

LooseAtTheSeams · 06/01/2019 13:52

Stickerrocks I reckon politics is doable so sending best wishes for a good meeting with the tutor!

whistl · 06/01/2019 14:03

It shows how much they are growing up that your DD mulled this over by herself and came to a decision on her own, Stickerrocks.

Do you think Politics would be a better choice for her, Stickerrocks, even if she'd have enjoyed Politics and the one she is dropping equally?
If you/ your DD can formulate an argument that an A level in Politics would be better for as many reasons as possible, then she has a better chance.
After that, it's going to be about minimising the downsides for the college - fits with timetable, better grades, minimal class disruption, minimal work for the new teacher and it doesn't make the class she's leaving uneconomic to run.
Your DD is very capable and I'm sure she'll be able to make a success of the switch, if permitted. So, it's just about making a positive car for the switch with minimised negatives.
Keep us posted!

EllenJanesthickerknickers · 06/01/2019 14:34

whistl Re maths at Warwick, it’s seen as a fallback option for Cambridge, many of DS1’s friends at Warwick took STEP. For DS1 it was his first choice, though. It really doesn’t matter once you are there. Its offer is pretty much the next highest after Oxbridge. It does vary year to year a little but DS got the standard offer of A maths, A FM, A in 3rd subject, or A maths, A FM, A in 3rd subject with a grade 1 in any STEP paper. There were other options to include Oxford uni maths paper as well. DS has said getting the A in FM was easier than the grade 1 in STEP, but that was with the AS/A2 modular system.

Their accommodation is varied, all self catering but ranges from big expensive en-suite rooms with 4 to a kitchen to really quite cheap, small rooms with shared bathrooms and 12-14 to a kitchen and lots in between. You get to rank quite a few choices of accommodation but it’s not decided until September which means no advantage for firm over insurance. DS got his first choice but he ranked on price, low to high and the more expensive options seemed more popular.

DS1 made his friends more from his accommodation than his course, though being in a big shared kitchen meant that there were lots of people to make friends with. 5 from his kitchen were doing either maths, MORSE (some sort of business maths) or joint maths and physics. So friends both on his course and accommodation. Some of his acquaintances who were in nicer accommodation but with only 4 to a flat/kitchen didn’t gel with their flat mates and got quite lonely. 2 left due to this. In balance, 2 left from his corridor of 24 or so due to not coping with the communal living. You need to think hard what will actually best suit your DC, more privacy and peace and quiet but potentially fewer friends over a more sociable time but with the stresses of sharing with many types of people and their idiosyncrasies.

He had to choose housemates for 2nd year before Christmas which is a bit soon, tbh. Warwick accommodation manages lots of private rentals in Coventry, (Earlsdon and Canley mainly) and Leamington. Which means you won’t be ripped off by a private landlord but once in you do deal with the landlord to fix problems etc. You pay rent termly which if you choose direct debit coincides nicely with student loan payments from Student Loan Company (SLC.) You have to arrange your own utilities and internet. (Student halls in first year are also paid termly but bills and internet included.)

DS chose Earlsdon in Coventry, again on price, but his kitchen mates were all at the poorer end of the spectrum so that suited them. It’s advantages are being much closer to campus than Leam, and it’s full of students, but Leam is nicer and also full of students. He’s got friends in both locations and will socialise in Leam sometimes. DS bought a bike and cycles mostly, in fair weather! He’s on a uni bus route as well. 4 mikes from campus. Leam is more than twice as far, but there are uni buses.

There are around 300 in a year doing some sort of maths. There are lots and lots of options in 2nd and 3rd year. Relatively few compulsory courses compared to some of the other universities DS1 looked at. Many lectures are on lecture capture video available to Warwick students which is useful for timetable clashes. You may get timetable clashes due to the many options on offer.

Each year you take subjects worth at least 120 credits. If you take more, only your top scoring courses are counted. Eg, last year DS1 took subjects worth 132 credits in total, each subject worth maybe 6 or 12 credits. His lowest scoring course, worth 12 credits, wasn’t included in his 2nd year total. He can take some options from other depts, eg physics or computing for instance and has done well in some computing courses.

First year is worth 10% of the total for a BSc hons 3 year course. Second year worth 40%, 3rd year 50%. (Actually that might be 30% and 60%.) Most unis don’t count first year results. Was an advantage for DS as he’d done really well in first year and was glad it counted for something.

You can apply for BSc hons and swap up to a 4 year MMath if you are doing well and still get the funding from SLC) Not sure of exact marks required to swap up. I can ask DS if you want. Or you can apply for an MMath initially. DS1 has decided he’s had enough of studying and will finish this year. He’s on course for a first and thinks getting the MMath wouldn’t help his job prospects significantly enough to be worth the extra debt and slog. Just his personal opinion. About 1/4 to 1/3 of his friends are planning on doing a Masters. Some are doing a 4 year BSc with a year abroad, including some maths students. One is in Amsterdam this year being taught in English. Not sure how SLC funding works for that.

He’s loved the whole uni experience and can’t believe it’s nearly over. He’s always been very self motivated, since Y11 pretty much and it’s been great for him. He’s found the maths harder and harder as he’s gone on, but it’s all relative. He doesn’t love the maths as much as he used to.

That’s rather a lot! Hope it’s useful.

EllenJanesthickerknickers · 06/01/2019 14:45

stickerrocks swapping a subject after a whole term is a big ask. At the school I work at it would very much depend on the ability and work ethic of the student. But that’s at a 200/year sixth form. In a big college would the teachers know her well enough? Also, at my school they take 4 subjects until after Easter which gives more flexibility.

What does she want to do after sixth form? University? If this is her ‘3rd’ subject, ie not critical what it is for uni choices but critical what grade she gets in it, then she has to think hard if swapping will potentially reduce her 3rd subject grade. If it’s her new passion and she’ll possibly continue with it or need it for her uni choices it’s an easier decision to swap.

Stickerrocks · 06/01/2019 14:51

She wants to take politics and history or PPE. She was originally accepted for the course and was swayed to English by a hard sell on the open day. We're a very politically aware family, she is doing PPE as an extension course and is in the Cambridge outreach scheme. I'm hopeful, especially as her uncle tutors in politics A level.

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LimitIsUp · 06/01/2019 15:25

She's a very smart girl Stickerrocks - I imagine she could could catch up, especially since she is invested in making the choice and wants it to work. The difficulty will be in persuading the college - but you have some trump cards to use to sway them (like the Uncle who tutors in politics, and her brace of excellent grades at GCSE which show her academic ability)

LimitIsUp · 06/01/2019 15:26

I HATED English A level Grin.

TheFirstOHN · 06/01/2019 15:43

EllenJanesthickerknickers
Warwick is on DS2's shortlist and he is planning to attend an open day next summer. He would prefer to live within walking distance (1.5 miles) of lectures and labs. He doesn't have the coordination to safely ride a bike, and struggles with the unpredictability of bus travel. Do you know if Warwick has any facility for 2nd / 3rd years to stay in university accommodation / close to campus?

Oratory1 · 06/01/2019 15:56

Sticker I’m sure, being as bright and hard working as she is, she would be fine switching and just hope college agrees. Presume she s had a look in detail at the politics syllabus and assessment criteria and it’s stuff that appeals. Good luck.

Thefirst I’m sure you’ve considered this but DSA often qualifies dc for second or third year in halls if they want it.? Not everywhere but certainly was an option for DD1.

LooseAtTheSeams · 06/01/2019 16:01

Stickerrocks much as I love English, it does sound s though politics would fit in well with her future plans!