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DDs dreams in tatters

142 replies

OneHandFlapping · 07/09/2015 12:50

She's been predicted AAA based on her AS results, so the unis she most wanted are out of reach. I don't know what to advise her to do.

  1. Accept her limitations, and apply to the 2nd tier unis - and to be fair, I'm not sure to what extent her problems are academic or motivational
  2. Work her socks off, get kickass grades and apply next year - she may not exceed her predictions, and a year would be wasted, except she could do with growing up a bit
  3. ??

Has anyone got any advice? The school don't seem to.

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Pneumometer · 07/09/2015 18:36

I must say I didn't realise that it was no longer so competitive to get an offer.

And it never was, for the vast majority of courses. It's only in MN land that admissions tutors are sat up at three in the morning pondering the relative merits of Silver DofE and Grade VII trumpet.

titchy · 07/09/2015 19:28

Grin pneumo!

WitchOfAlba · 07/09/2015 19:37

D of E is not worth that much apparently, some universities disregard it.

LibrariesGaveUsP0wer · 07/09/2015 19:42

Well I don't think we think that Grin

But most of us went through the system in the 80s/90s/00s complete with stats on how universities had x applications for every place and sixth form tutors who pushed the personal statement and having something to fill it with. In my era, most of my friends didn't get six offers (or five given Oxbridge was always more hit and miss ) even if straight A students.

We were taught to think it was very much like a job application - you had to sell yourself.

Pico2 · 07/09/2015 19:46

I think that they may be quite keen to get girls onto computer science courses. Surely a combination of approaches would be a good idea: apply this year including Warwick (can you apt for the BSc and MEng?) along with a variety of other universities including a couple of safe bets. See what offers she gets and choose a firm and insurance from them. Then review in light of A2 grades and reapply with a gap year if that works better than her taking the place she gets. Do look carefully at whether deferred entry is discouraged.

And definitely look at building resilience.

BertrandRussell · 07/09/2015 20:07

I'm sure it doesn't need saying, but extra curricular things, unless they are absolutely relevant to the course, carry no weight at all. And rightly so.

Pneumometer · 07/09/2015 20:46

But most of us went through the system in the 80s/90s/00s complete with stats on how universities had x applications for every place and sixth form tutors who pushed the personal statement and having something to fill it with.

Well, for a start off for most of the 1980s there weren't any personal statements. In passing, does anyone know when they arrived? I suspect with the merger of UCCA and PCAS in the early 1990s, but I don't know. I have a copy of my UCCA form so I can tell you precisely what the form contained then.

If you think about it, the way the application process works means that the system is in balance with five applications per place, because there are five slots on the form. There are vast numbers of courses at Oxbridge which have nothing like five applicants per place, because fewer people make speculative applications there (most applicants are qualified). There are more than five qualified applicants per place for some RG courses but, as someone has said upthread, sadly a lot of applicants are not remotely qualified, so the number of courses which need to do more than make offers to everyone that has the right predicted grades is smaller than you think. And as of the last few years, the consequences of over-recruiting have been softened, so there really is no reason to not make offers to qualified applicants. There are departments so over-subscribed that they need to make finer judgements, but they are very rare (and, returning to the root of this debate, I'd be astounded if CS outside the obvious four places is amongst them).

D of E is not worth that much apparently, some universities disregard it.

Are there any universities which don't disregard it? As Bertrand says, super-curriculars might be relevant (especially if you've missed your offer by a grade and someone's deciding on Wednesday morning before results Thursday whether to let you in) but the rest? When would it be considered?

LibrariesGaveUsP0wer · 07/09/2015 20:55

SmileAs you can tell, I wasn't 80s .

So basically right grades in right subjects and unless you are after medicine etc you should get a full clutch of offers. Shall be filing that one away for 10 years' time when in reach that stage

LibrariesGaveUsP0wer · 07/09/2015 20:55

*mine

eatyourveg · 07/09/2015 21:02

Of course she'd get an offer
Why do you think that....its not what they said at the open day

See here 87% of applicants to the MEng course get offers

titchy · 07/09/2015 21:31

Oh it'll be considerably different in 10 years time to how it is today!

Lullington · 08/09/2015 12:00

That Which link is interesting
Dd wants to do physio at Cardiff . 18% of applicants get offers ShockConfused

Pneumometer · 08/09/2015 12:07

Dd wants to do physio at Cardiff . 18% of applicants get offers

Hard numbers cap because it's funded by the NHS.

The fees for students from the UK and European Union are paid by the Welsh Government - who commission around 90 trainee physiotherapists each year - and you will also be eligible for a non means-tested bursary of £1,000 and possibly up to a further £5,000 in means-tested bursaries.

Lullington · 08/09/2015 12:28

Bummer.

Pantone363 · 08/09/2015 12:32

Tell her to start practising "would you like fries with that?"

BertrandRussell · 08/09/2015 12:37

Or, as my dd, who's reading philosophy, says gloomily when considering her future employment "Why do you want fries with that?"

Robinredtip · 08/09/2015 13:35

^^mwahahahaha

Lullington · 08/09/2015 14:39
Grin
wonkylegs · 08/09/2015 15:05

I had to write a personal statement for uni application in 1996 so they've been around since then.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 09/09/2015 11:42

I'm pretty sure I had to write a personal statement when applying to Uni in 1983. Of course it might not have been called that way back then

And AFAIR I had no help with it from school or elsewhere and hadn't read anyone else's. I think my DF cast an eye over it before I sent it off!

They were probably more unique and interesting to read in those days Smile

Bolograph · 09/09/2015 12:02

I'm pretty sure I had to write a personal statement when applying to Uni in 1983.

Question 5(a) on the 1983 form was "Practical experience; study abroad; occupation and studies after leaving school; interests (intellectual, social and other)." But that's not the current personal statement, and you only had nine lines (everything being handwritten back then, too).

tealady · 09/09/2015 12:11

My ds had a 3x A's offer from Warwick for Computer science this year. His predicted and actual grades were 3x A*. Just wanted your daughter to know she should definitely apply!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/09/2015 12:27

I wrote a personal statement for my university application (UCCA) in 1978. We had to write it out once in draft (by hand, of course) on a photocopy of the form (luxury item in 19780 for comment by the school and then copy it out neatly onto the real form. You tell that to the young folk today and they won't believe you!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 09/09/2015 12:43

Thanks for that snapshot from my past Bolograph

I guess I just put what I could from practical experience limited tbh and interests (intellectual, social and other) that gave a bit more scope

"Intellectual and social interests" How quaint Grin

I think mine was mostly Guides, DofE, and various modest musical accomplishments!
Not sure I gave a full account of "other" Wink

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/09/2015 12:57

I was on reasonably solid ground with reading. However, I had a rush of blood to the head when it came to trying to fill the space up and said I enjoyed playing chess and backgammon. When it came to the interviews I was petrified in case anybody asked about these, as my chess and backgammon experience was limited to playing a few games with my friend and her dad, both of whom beat me hollow, so I never bothered again!

I've told this to both my children as a salutary tale - I got away with it that time, but I easily might not have done...