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17 replies

sarahhoppity · 03/01/2012 22:34

I foster 2 children through an IFA and would willingly have them long term if that is how it works out. SW has already said they would be moved in house if long term. I am fairly new carer, am I being emotionally blackmailed to move to LA?

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BusterTheDonk · 03/01/2012 22:42

Personally, I don't think it is...

I think you are just a culprit of the LA's trying desperately to save money and move all possible LAC's back 'in house' to save money... that sadly appears to be their number one priority..

As a "fellow" foster carer, I respect you and feel for you...

bonnieslilsister · 03/01/2012 22:48

I don't think you are being emotionally blackmailed Sarah, I think she is just saying it how it is. I think all LA's are doing this. Would you consider moving over?

sarahhoppity · 03/01/2012 22:56

Thanks for posts BusterTheDonk and bonnieslilsister. A lot to consider but FC's doing well. Wouldn't like them to be victims of poor adult world and wouldn't like them to suffer upheaval of a move due to politics if we can do something.

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maypole1 · 03/01/2012 23:28

Sorry to have to say but I agree with everyone else I work for a la and mine are only putting children with Ida on pain of death and are being a lot stricter about how long we have off in between placements ECt

sarahhoppity · 04/01/2012 09:31

Thanks Maypole1. Thats helps, the piority is the children.

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Rubyx · 04/01/2012 13:38

I am new as well. I heard the same thing and have this child 4 months now. The mum specifically asked for the children to remain with me as they were happy (as can be) here. However LA did try and look for someone of their own nearer the area mum lives. It is a financial decision and LA have to look after their own carers first so it doesn't make sense to have their carers with an empty room and they pay less. Sad for the child though..

scarlet5tyger · 04/01/2012 19:41

Ruby, I've also had parents request that their children remain with me - doesn't make a blind bit of difference. I'm with LA and have still had children moved for financial reasons (I'm approved for 2 children but was fostering 3 as an emergency. As I was out of approval the LA had to pay for any extra equipment needed. Even though the child settled well over the months she was here, as soon as a free bed came up elsewhere she was off!)

sarahhoppity · 04/01/2012 20:54

Looks like we probably need to move to La; as you say Ruby it is so sad for the children when they settle well. Scarlet I am really surprised to hear of your La moving as had to pay for extra equipment.

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scarlet5tyger · 04/01/2012 20:58

Me too Sarah - it wasn't as if I was asking for money all the time either, I'm fairly thrifty!

NanaNina · 05/01/2012 00:10

Sarah what everyone is saying is absolutely right, and you have to see it from the LAs point of view. IFA placements cost the LA an enormous amount of money and of course they can offer more support etc because all of this is charged to the LA. LAs have budgets (which are currently being slashed by this govt) and how would it be fair to pay huge amounts of their budgets for a long term IFA placement, meaning that other children would suffer because the "jam was spread too thickly in one place - rather than spread more thinly " IFYSWIM. I know it appears that the children are not the priority and they aren't because there is simply not enough funding given to LAs from govt to carry out an efficient service.

I think the other thing you have to bear in mind Sarah is the care plan for these children. I don't know their ages, but if they are very young the care plan could be for adoption rather than long term fostering. IF the care plan is for permanent fostering, you would need to be re-assessed as permanent carers, and then the LA would suggest you apply for a Residence Order, so that they are "off the books" so to speak.

Scarlet I'm a little confused by your post. You seem to be saying that the 3rd child (for whom you needed extra equipment) was moved as soon as an other bed became free because of the extra equipment needed. This surely was because you were "over numbers" in relation to your approval and whilst temporary approval can be given for "over numbers" it makes no sense to leave you with an emergency placement, when another carer became available.

Rubyx yes it is sad for the children who are well settled and have to move (as in your case) but it is also sad for all the other children in the Looked After System of the LA. There are huge financial constraints on LA budgets and this is getting worse because of govt cuts.

scarlet5tyger · 05/01/2012 19:01

NanaNina, I was being a little flippant because it was never expressly said that she moved because of finances. She was placed with me with severe attachment problems, began to overcome these and make the first proper attachments of her life, left with me for 6 months, then moved. She wasn 't placed as an emergency placement (that would cost more money!), and at that time most of the carers in my LA were well over their approval limits.

Now we have a surplus of new carers it does make sense for her to have been moved financially - a new school term was starting and her uniform would have had to be paid for - but as far as her mental health was concerned the move set her back months, if not years.

sarahhoppity · 06/01/2012 22:55

I appeciate your comments NanaNina; yes I can totally see the big funding issue for La. I am not familiar with Resident order and need to find out some more.

Children are not so very young 8 and 10.

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NanaNina · 06/01/2012 23:30

Hi Sarah - are you absolutely certain that you want these 2 children to be part of your family for ever, because that is what permanency is about. I knew I was jumping the gun about by mentioning Residence Orders.

I think you need to know what the care plan is for these children, and if it is long term fostering (which it probably will be as they are too old for adoption) then you could tell the LA that you would be willing to become permanent carers for the children on the basis of long term fostering, and you will, as I said before need to be re-assessed for permanency.

Re - Residence Orders. I was just trying to warn you that LAs who have children placed with permanent foster carers, often put pressure on the carers to apply for a Residence Order. You don't have to do anything really as the LA will support you and write the report etc. However many LAs don't explain properly what it means, and the funding is discretionary, so can be withdrawn.
It is probably a little premature to be thinking about this at this time.

I think you first step is to find out what is the legal status of these children. Are they already on Care Orders (probably not) and if not, you need to know what is the care plan (they may be going home) but if that has been ruled out the LA's plan will be for permanency by way of permanent fostering. They will eventualy go to court and ask the judge to make a care order, which will probably be opposed by the birth parents, but if the LA have their evidence, the order is usually made.

I think you need to talk to the children's social worker and find out more about the children and the care plan and your interest in keeping them etc. Incidentally how long have you had the children. When considering permanency you do need to "roll the tape on" and consider how you might cope if problems occur in the future. Very often problems can lie dormant until adolesence when they can emerge (as with most adolescents) but more so for young people with troubled backgrounds.

Happy to help further if necessary

sarahhoppity · 07/01/2012 00:06

Hi Nananina, absolutely sure.
We are already approved for permancy and long term fostering is in care plan, (currently ICO).
Is a residence order similar to special Guardianship?

We have already ruled out speical guardianship as we do need ongoing finance to enable feeding Lo's and some quality of life for family as a whole. Also aware La drop out of equation, we think, leaving us to liaise with parents for various approvals. Eyes wide open with future potential issues, as far as they can be; teenagers always push the limits! Good words of caution to consider future problems. LA SW well aware and supportive of our interest for permanancy.

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sarahhoppity · 07/01/2012 00:08

BTWwe have had the children 6 months

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NanaNina · 08/01/2012 15:54

No a RO is not the same as SGO. The only way you can be sure of ongoing funding and with the LA still being on the case is by way of the children being long term/permanently fostered by you. This used to be quite a usual route to permanency for children, until finance became such a big issue.
Many LT foster carers were encouraged to apply for Residence Orders because it meant the the case was closed and there was a big saving in terms of social work time. Also the RO allowance is discretionary and can be changed, stopped altogether, though sws don't always tell people that this is the case. In fact some of them don't even know!

Also you share the PR with the birth parents even though you are in the "driving street" - there are still quite a few things that sws don't tell people e.g. the bps have a right to know where you live, a say in the child's education . I know of a recent case on here of a woman who holds a RO for a child and has recently found out how much influence the bps can have when the child is on a RO. SWs like ROs because they don't have to do long reports and they can be granted via the courts without too much trouble. Then they can wave you goodbye and leave you to sort out any future problems. The rationalise all this by saying "it isn't right for a child to spend his/her lifetime in care" and in one sense that is true, as they may never really feel secure in your care. They will have to have 6 monthly reviews etc and will still be in the Looked after system. Callme a cynic but this was never really talked about until constraints on budgets, and suddenly L-T foster carers were being asked to apply for ROs and as I said before were not told all of the things they needed to know in some cases, to inform their decision about whether or not to apply for a RO. Also birth parents can apply to the court at any time for the RO to be varied so that the children can be returned to them. In most cases it is highly unlikely that they would be successful, but they have the right to do this.

SGOs - relatively new legislation and and came into effect in Jan 2006. In my view this is a much better route to permanency than ROs. The reason I say this is because the sw has to complete an assessment of needs for these cases, including financial need. SWs don't like them because they take longer to do, a very comprehensive assessment - the issues to be covered are similar to those for l-t fostering but are actually laid down by parliament.
Re finance - SGO payments are discretionary, and there is something in the legislation that states that SSDs should pay allowances similar to fostering allowances for the first 2 years of the making of the SGO. Also there is something in the legislation that "no placement should break down because of lack of finance" but this is tricky because if you were inneed of finance after 2 years I am not at all sure how you would get the matter back into court - I think this could only be done by judicial review and you would need a lawyer for that.

The other plus is that the bps have very little PR - the only things you cannot do as the holder of an SGO is
Change the child's surname
Take the child out of the country for longer than 3 months
Apply for an adoption Order

Unless there is consent from the bps.

The other thing is that bps have to have "leave of the court" before that can apply for the children to be returned to them and this means that the judge has to be satisfied that there has been a significant change in the circumstances of the bps before he/she is willing to hear the case. Also of course the length of time you have had the children will be a big consideration as they will (hopefully) be securely attached to you.

If there are issues about contact etc the sws can ask for a 1 yr supervision order to the made alongside the SGO which in theory means that they will still be there to intervene when necessary, though just how much they will be able to help is open to debate, with the pressures upon sws at the moment. This is only going to get worse with the govt's planned spending cuts on public services.

SO to be honest the only way you are going to be sure of finance and support is to remain as permanent foster carers. You will need to really dig your heels in over this. If you talk about financial support, they may well assure you that it is avaiable with a RO but not that is discretionary and as I said many sws don't even know this.

I worked for a LA SSD for 25 years and have worked independently for 5 years (retired 2 years ago) and I used to assess kinship carers mostly (relatives wanting to foster another relatives child, rather than the child go to strangers) Once I had done my assessment i was out of the picture, but I used to tell families not to be dragooned into applying for a RO, but I was not always sure what happened as my involvement ended after the a/ment and the LA took over. One woman contacted me though and said "Oh we went to a big meeting and they've "put us down for a RO!" They had no idea that the LA cannot force people down this route because they cannot make the application themselves.

You can google ROs and SGOs but a lot of it is written in legal language, but there will be guidelines which are written in a more understandable way.

Having said all this you may have no trouble with your LA and they will be happy to approve you as permanent foster carers - great if that's the case but being forewarned is being forearmed!

sarahhoppity · 11/01/2012 20:54

NanaNina,

Thank you so much for your detailed reply. I have looked further into RO's and SGO's but your posting was so much easier to read and concise. I really appreciate being forwarned. At least I can be prepared for what may be put forward and not caught on the hop.

A really big thank you.

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