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Anyone Living in their own house whilst partner works away at current posting?

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luciemule · 26/01/2010 12:29

Hello - just wondering really if there are any other wives who have chosen to live in their own home whilst their DH moves around postings and comes back at weekends?
We recently chose to move back to our won home having lived in MQs all our 9 yr married life. We have two young children and my DH especially, thought that moving me and the children back to our family home town would be a good option mainly for the children. He works at his current posting about 3 hours away and usually gets home late Friday afternoon/evening.
I have my mum, sister and sister in law as well as some friends I knew from growing up here but I'm just not happy. I thought it would be great and just what we thought it should be like but I think the kids are suffering from DH being away. They pine for him constantly. DS (5) asks every day "is Daddy coming home today" and tbh, I reckon a 6 month deployment was easier for us to deal with than this. He leaves at about 6am on Monday mornings and calls each evening but the kids continue to miss him and it's now 9 months into this move. I'm longing to be back near other army wives and surprisingly I'm really missing being a part of the army family. Has anyone else tried this way of living and how long did it last?
Sending the children to public school isn't an option we want to pursue so it would mean them mvoing around with us every couple of years or living apart. It's pulling me and DH apart too it seems - always quarrellling at weekends; he wants to chill and we all want to do stuff as a family.

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Jaysfourth · 26/01/2010 15:01

Boo, its an intresting question. It depends on how you look at it.

I never had problems making and maintaining great friends for the period of time i was there. So every couple of years i would make a 'best friend' quite quickly and stick with them for the duration, but saying that, i think because most people knew they wouldnt be around for longer than a few years, you tended to have a wide circle of friends, that you could pick and choose from, if that makes sense.

Now PC's and the internet weren't around when i was at school and i think this is a key issue. I tried to keep in touch with a few people via letter writing, but, you know, it took so long, then you had to wait and wait for replies, then someone moved and didnt tell you, so losing touch was quite common place. But it didnt matter too much because it was the norm... however nowadays, there are SO many ways of keeping in touch it would be impossible not too, unless they really didnt want to!

I also dont know how many adults have still got the same best friend they had when they were, say 6,7,10 or 11, probably quite a few, but there will be as many who dont but people evolve, change, grow up through out their childhood, you dont always want to stay friends with the same person you did when you were said, 6,7,10 or 11!!

Through the internet, Friends reunited, FB etc, i have hooked up with most of the people i knew at various points through out my childhood, and so have many many good friends now, as well as the ones i have made since living in civvy street. BTW its been twenty years since my Father left the forces, and we all, (family) still talk of missing the security, the 'doos' the family kinship that occurred through the 20 plus years we lived it!

McDreamy · 26/01/2010 15:14

My DD doesn't cope with the movinh hence our decision to buy in Wiltshire and stay put. DS on the other hand just gets on with it.

Booyhoo · 26/01/2010 15:16

yes it's true, i dont see anyone i was at primary school with now. i had just thought that was my own not fitting in issue but when i think about it, none of my current friends knew each other as children..

luciemule · 26/01/2010 16:25

I only have one truly good friend from primary school and my other three best friends (I wouldn't say any of my other friends werre 'best friends' I met either at middle school or one at age 13. Many people don't keep in touch with any friends from primary and some are only good friends with those they met at uni and beyond.
DH is quite an insular person who says he doesn't really need friends and I think the army has made him like this, although saying that, he still calls army mates he hasn't seen since 16 'friends' because he got to know and trust them so quickly and well.
At the moment, DD is still in touch with girls from postings three years ago so I think I'll show jaysforth post to my dh and say "see, that person coped with moving so often". In your case Jaysforth, I think your case almost illustrates that moving every two years is better than not!

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Roz007 · 26/01/2010 21:54

Just to give you a different perspective: if you lived in London and Daddy worked in an office they also wouldn't see him on weekdays - he'd be off before their breakfast and back after they're in bed, so the grass is not necessarily greener elsewhere. I'm married to someone who is ex-forces who is now away sometimes 9mths a year and often does 6mths with just a fortnight back in the middle. I don't live near my family and I regret it: although other people are sympathetic, they won't help as much as your mum etc will and that Network also adds emotional support and comfort for your children. I'd say they are really expressing that they miss their daddy because it is in tune with your own mood: handle it positively as 'this is how it is so lets work with it' and they will too. Maybe get a regular time each day when Daddy can Skype to say goodnight?

scaryteacher · 26/01/2010 21:59

I am a Forces kid and married to someone in the RN.

I hated moving every two years from when I started school, and was happy when we moved back to Hampshire when I was 10. I stayed there until I was 16, and my mum sent me to board for sixth form.

We have been married 24 years this year and for the most part it was sea time or weekending. I think the most we weekended for was 4 years on the trot. We had always had our own home and I wanted to stay put as I was doing a degree and then working. Weekending has its benefits and means that all the crap can be got out of the way during the week and weekends can be for you and your family. I usually wondered when he was going back to sea/weekending when he had been home for 18 months or so.

I finally got winkled out of the West country in 2006 when dh had a second appointment in Brussels - we had done two years weekending from Brussels to Cornwall; which in reality turned out to be me going to Brussels with ds for half terms and Easter hols and part of summer hols, and dh coming home for part of the summer and Christmas. Not easy, or sustainable.

It depends on the individual if you can cope with it or not. I'd grown up seeing my parents do it, so was used to the idea that I would have to cope on my own for much of the time. I've enjoyed the past 3 and a bit years living with dh, and can probably cope with a few more, but I am not working out here and have tinme to do the things I want during the day, and have time for him in the evenings. I'm not trying to please everyone and running myself ragged in the process. Give it a year before you decide it's not for you. I would say that it is different for the Army than the Navy though. We can't go to sea with them, so we have to bite the bullet. Apart from deployment, you can go with them, and the Regimental system is like a family, so you'll miss that too.

Don't hold your breath for Germany. The Tories have said they'll bring everyone back from Germany, as there is no point having them there and it will save money.

penguin73 · 26/01/2010 22:37

We have done it for 4 years and it works for us - I would not have a career if I moved every 2 years and the disruption was certainly having a negative effect on our child's eduation (now Y8) before we bought our own house. It isn't easy, but it enables some stability for our child near his supportive extended family which I think is vital.

luciemule · 26/01/2010 22:52

Only problem is that I've ended up supporting all my family and I spend much of the week being told by them how I should be disciplining my children, how I need to lose some weight etc sharing child care for my sister's child. I'm now wondering whether we've done the right thing and if, at the end of the day, seeing my husband every day and the kids seeing their daddy every day isn't more important than having extended family around (although it's obviously nice to have some family around).

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Berryred · 26/01/2010 23:20

Hi hun

I am a forces child, and loved moving around all the time. I did make life long friends, infact one is getting married in March, and we met when we were 8 but I was a good penpal lol

I am now married into the RAF, and love the moving around! I stayed at one camp (so not the same as civi I know) for 18 months whilst hubby was aways on training course, I then followed him to his next training course to be with him, I hated being alone, I got very sad and depressed lol, even though I love time for myself. My children were 3 and 5 at the time, and I was working full time.

After this experience, we have both agreed it would be a catch 22! With me either living alone for the next 18 years so thekids stay in one place, or more around with the RAF and the kids go into boarding! Boarding is the route we are going! Lots of there friends have gone into boarding school, and we have been very open about it to them (they are now 5 and 8) at the end of the day no one can tell you what feels right for you, just what feels right for ourselves

xx

scaryteacher · 27/01/2010 08:18

Lucie - the only thing I would say is that the kids need to be in one place for years 10 and 11 and preferably year 9 for options. Moving during primary isn't too bad.

Yorky · 27/01/2010 08:35

One family I know tried this and they lasted a school year - it worked in their favour, they got a much bigger house when they moved back onto the patch!

jcscot · 27/01/2010 09:38

We're doing it just now and it has it's upsides and downsides.

When I was pregnant with our eldest (2006), things went badly wrong and I needed quite a bit of support after the birth. We bought a house near my parents and my husband transferred to the APC for a year. He then moved to another post nearby, allowing us to stay put while our second child was born (also a long hospital stay). During this posting he was away a lot and lived in the Mess four nights a week.

We've exhausted the option for jobs near us, espescially as his current job will take him to the pink list so, if he wants to get ahead (he does!), then he needed a crunchy job and that meant a move away from my family or a fortnightly commute. We weighed up the pros and cons and decided to commute (the final straws were the news that the NHS Trust where my husband is based will not pay for the drugs I'm on and my current Trust will and the fact that I'm pregnant again).

So, I have the support and help that I need and, in turn, I can support and help my mother (my father is not in the best of health). I have excellent medical help here, very important as I'm facing another difficult pregnancy. Our two sons are enjoying life as part of a large family (they have lots of cousins their ages - we have something like 22 under-sixes in the family with another two babies due so far this year).

On the other hand, I miss patch life. We have virtually no social life here and when M was in Afghanistan a lot of people simply didn't know what to say (one neighbour was openly hostile - she won't let her son play with our eldest because they "...don't want him exposed to guns...") and I missed the camaraderie and even the bitchiness that goes with life on camp.

To be honest, once (if) this baby is born, we're probably not going to have any more and we'll be looking at moving back into quarters or into buying a house somewhere nearer to the jobs M is likely to do.

Right now, is the best thing for us but it's not easy at times. We don't argue about it because there's no point - we need to be do this right now, so we have to make the best of it but that doesn't mean it will be the best thing for us in the future.

luciemule · 27/01/2010 12:41

jcscot - thanks for that. You have certainly had to make some hard choices. Think you're right when you say we can only do what's right for us at the time. DH doesn't really want to be posted to London (think we'd see him less than we do now!) even though it's an easy commute. Think it'll be easier to wait until June really to see if he picks up and if he does, things might become a lot clearer.
Our plan was for him to reach 37 in April then him leave and get a job nearby but to be honest, with jobs the way they are, think we've resigned ourselves to him staying in.
I was actually just explaining to my mum how most people don't remain life long friends with kids from primary schools and she actually agreed for once. Just got to convince DH now!

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Jaysfourth · 27/01/2010 12:52

reading through the posts, it seems to me that things are very different nowadays. When my parents met, my Father was already in the forces and it was just accepted that if they got married, she and any subsequent family would move with him where ever he was posted.

My Mother, knew when she married him that would be her new life and she stuck by him. embracing the new it and totally emerging herself in it, she had a far better lifestyle and social life than she would have had should she stayed at home, her words not mine.

Another thing, I am guessing the posting's were a lot more varied then than they are now?

My Father was stationed in Germany, Northern Ireland,Hong Kong, Cyprus with two posts in England. My Mother had never been further than Portsmouth!

Another difference being, they couldnt afford at the time (along with the majority of young married couples) to buy a house near family, so the thing to do was to move alongside him.

There seem to be more options for forces couples at this time, which of course will suit some and not others, but IMHO if you marry into the forces shouldn't you just accept the life for what it has to offer?

luciemule · 27/01/2010 13:05

Thanks jaysforth. That's my point of view but DH seems adament about the whole not-moving-school-thing. Think we'll be having a serious talk this weekend.
The thing is that although my DD gets sad about the friends she leaves, she is a very sociable little girl who makes big groups of friends very easily so I see it as a bonus. The curriculum is so similar in all schools nowadays there are always good schools whereever you're posted too.

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Jaysfourth · 27/01/2010 13:32

Well just glad to have been able to have put my opinion over. At the end of the day, i loved it, and so did many many many of my friends.
I can only speak from experience, as others do, but perhaps you need to create your own experience, we all do things we don't like doing, we all HAVE to DO things we don't like doing, but its how we deal with those things and how we can produce the positive effect from something that is deemed negative that counts

GOOD LUCK with your talk, hope your DH can try and see where you are coming from, i think its much more important for families to be together and moving than for the children to miss out on (any) time with their Mums and Dad together

luciemule · 27/01/2010 13:46

cool - will defo show him this last post (or at least tell him the same thing you have said). That's exactly what I think only it's taken me having to move back here to realise it!

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scaryteacher · 27/01/2010 20:55

It also varies between services Jaysforth. With the RN it's accepted that many will have their own homes and the wives have their own careers. We can't go to sea with the dhs, so we have to stay ashore and get on with it.

For many of dh's appointments there would have been little point in my moving as he was travelling a lot or would not have got home much from whatever he was doing. Him still being in the office at 0100 was not unusual in one job.

It's also not just about the children. Some wives have careers that are not easily transferable and they do not want to move. It would be exactly the same in civvy street if the Dad was away on business trips, or got made redundant and could only find a job elesewhere.

luciemule · 27/01/2010 22:19

Yes Scary, the army is very different. Think it's more like that for the RAF too - where they tend to buy houses or remain in quarters in one place for a longer time. My DH isn't currently with a regiment and every two years or so has to do a staff job where everyone is mixed up.
I'm currently a doula so for me, I could travel anywhere, as could teachers, nurses, civil servants etc but yes, for wives with a fixed placement career, it's harder and they less choice.

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scaryteacher · 27/01/2010 22:51

It isn't so easy for teachers or nurses either. You are stuffed if there is not a job available to you and it doesn't look good to have too many schools on your cv as a teacher for instance.

luciemule · 27/01/2010 22:55

Nurses can often get a job in an army med centre or local GP practice and there are always quite a few supply jobs for teachers going. I have army friends who are both nurses and teachers and they never seem to have a problem finding something and most just want to keep their hand in rather than full on career.

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scaryteacher · 28/01/2010 01:06

Supply doesn't cut it if you want to keep your subject knowledge current and be established. I gave up teaching to move abroad for two appointments and there is no job here that I can do as they don't teach my subject. I will find it hard to get back into teaching when we return to UK.

Dsil is about to get promoted and my db is being appointed elsewhere. Why should her career be constantly sublimated to his? It's really important especially with all the redundancies on the way for her to keep her job if the shit hits the fan.

However, it's different for the Navy as not all wives move about. I certainly didn't for 20 years, apart from within a 30 mile radius to trade up housewise. I needed to work to pay the school fees.

Jaysfourth · 28/01/2010 09:10

Did you not get any of the school fees paid by the force you were with at the time Scarey? Navy?

it is a different story if the partner/wife wants to continue or build a career, i wonder if marrying into the forces is such a good idea if that is indeed the case?

i am guessing, that its all down to the different forces issue again

Drusilla · 28/01/2010 09:36

We are thinking of doing this at the moment. The tenant in our house is moving out so we are taking the opportunity to sell it, with a view to buying one in the area we want to settle in permanently (Glos/Wilts). DH is posted in the summer (don't know where to yet) so DS won't even finish his 1st year of schooling in the same school - this is what has made me think we ought to do it. However, by the time we move DH will only have 3.5 yrs left till he has done his 22. I did think it was a really good idea but this thread worries me DH and I will be fine apart during the week, we both like our own space, but I do worry about depriving DS of his father all week every week (DHs posting is likely to be easy weekend commuting distance), he is nearly 5. Also, the area I would be buying in is not where my family are, so I will be effectively starting again all on my own. Has anyone else done this, rather than moving to somewhere where they have family support?

jcscot · 28/01/2010 09:45

"it is a different story if the partner/wife wants to continue or build a career, i wonder if marrying into the forces is such a good idea if that is indeed the case?"

I see your point but I think there might be a generational thing going on here. I don't know how old you are but if you're in your late twenties (for example) then you have to remember that it was far more common twenty/thirty/forty years ago for women not to have the kind of career opportunities that we have now.

My mother gave up work when her first child was born and only ever went back part-time when her youngest was in secondary school. She certainly didn't have a "career" in the way we think of it now. She wasn't a Forces wife but her circumstances would have meant that she would have done the same as your mother and moved around with her husband.

It is a mistake to judge the wives/mothers/women of today by the standards of a different generation. I had more choices than my mother - I went to Uni, where I met my husband, and am educated to postgraduate level. Should I have to lay all that aside just because my husband is in a mobile profession? A rhetorical question, really, because I did "follow the drum" until children came and have not ruled out the possibility of doing so again but there is no doubt that my degrees are now valueless apart from the intrinsic value of showing that I capable of learning/studying at a higher level. My point is that, despite my choice to move with my husband, I understand why some women don't want to move around.

"There seem to be more options for forces couples at this time, which of course will suit some and not others, but IMHO if you marry into the forces shouldn't you just accept the life for what it has to offer? "

With the greatest of respect and recognising that it is not a redundant question, your view on this is retrospective. You saw Forces life as a child, not as a wife, your views on what wives should do are secondhand as they are based on your mother's positive experience. I am not doubting that your mother loved Forces life at all - many families and wives do - but my point is that life has moved on somewhat and women's attitudes and expectations have changed in response to increased opportunites in life.

Obviously, if you are a Forces wife (and apologies if I've missed that!) then your experience is as current and as valid as my own.

"Did you not get any of the school fees paid by the force you were with at the time Scarey? Navy?"

I could be wrong buy scarey's children were in day schools - the AF CEA only covers boarding schools and only if you're living in quarters.

"but perhaps you need to create your own experience, we all do things we don't like doing, we all HAVE to DO things we don't like doing, but its how we deal with those things and how we can produce the positive effect from something that is deemed negative that counts "

A fair point but please remember that what is positive for one person may be negative for another. Perhaps I should have moved with my husband in his current job - give up the drugs that I'm on that keep me from fainting several times a day, allow me to drive and mean that I can look after my two small children without running myself into the ground? Sure, I don't like passing out a lot but "...we all HAVE to DO things we don't like doing...", eh?

It's not about doing things we don't like, it's about making decisions that benefit our families and marriages - whether that be to weekly/fortnightly commute or to shift from post to post every two years or a combination thereof.

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