Caligula, I wonder how such entrenched attitudes can be addressed too. I will admit that my ds gets crap (I suppose at least it's veggie crap) when he goes to ex mil's house every other weekend and it makes me cross because it does affect me: had he only lived with me he wouldn't have eaten so much crap or even know what some of it was. I decided long ago that all I can is do is make sure he eats well while he's with me, which is the majority of the time but yesterday he was walking round the kitchen whingeing because "there's nothing to eat muuuum" - what he meant was there's no junk food. There were apples, satsumas, avocados, mango, cucumber, tomatoes, cheese, pasta, broccoli, yoghurt, hummus, carrots, bread, marmite, peanut butter and more but no crisps or sweets or cakes. And because we'd been out for lunch and he'd had garlic bread, chips and then ice cream (he didn't like the one other veggie option main course) he wanted more empty calories. So junk food really does, IME, breed a desire for more junk food. He wanted refined carbs and sugar. And there weren't any, except the sugar in fruit and it made him so cross. And it made me cross too, that he was whingeing when there was tons of food, just nothing unhealthy. And as long as he lives with me that's the way it'll be but it would have been so easy to have given in yesterday and said 'here's a bar of chocolate, stop whingeing' but I couldn't because a) we didn't have any and b) whining doesn't ever get him what he wants. But I can see how easy it would be. I do feel depressed about the state of the food industry, I was in Asda briefly yesterday and there were a lot of very fat people with trolleys full of processed sugar and fat laden crap. (I'm fat but got that way on too much olive oil and wine, so maybe I should shut up!) Oops, yes, you, me and velcrobott would have a very boring dinner because we all agree!