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Artisan Loaf Help!

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HolyFocacciaa · 06/01/2026 13:56

Hey all, bread bakers I need your help! I have a 3.3L cast iron enamel coated casserole dish (one from Habitat). I make bread but only focaccia, sandwich rolls usually.

I’d like to make a round loaf in this dish but need a recipe! Does anyone have any appropriate recipes for a loaf using this dish size please? I would also prefer one with stretch and folds rather than kneading. I’ve had a look online but Google is crowded by American recipes which confuse me and I generally prefer UK ones! Thank you :)

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moto748e · 09/01/2026 22:32

Here. Not perfect cos I think I left it in for 5 mins too long maybe. That's the pan, it's small, 142 mm dia.

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soupyspoon · 09/01/2026 22:43

I like bread well done

When its ready for slicing can you show the slices?

How do you knead though?

And knocking it back, just punch it down?

moto748e · 09/01/2026 22:51

Just sort of fold it over, and press down with the heel of your hand, and rotate 90 degrees, and repeat. The dough is soft, it's not difficult. 'Knocking it down', the same, but you only need to do it three or four times. So if I'm rigorous on the timer, it's just about two hours, start to finish.

soupyspoon · 09/01/2026 23:03

moto748e · 09/01/2026 17:41

I don't bother with 'no-knead' recipes (although I remember doing them as a kid, donkey's years ago), cos I only ever knead for 20-30 secs at a time, and I don't believe "knead for ten minutes" is ever necessary for normal loaves. For ordinary white flour, I have a ratio, which I multiply up and down depending on whether I want a few rolls or a small loaf. I've got a cheapo non-stick milk-saucepan with the handle unscrew d, making a great small cake tin. For that I use 230 g flour. 138 g water (I weigh it!), and 14 g of butter (melted). Half a tsp of salt, pour it all in together, mix it up with a silicon spatula, knead v briefly, cover and leave for 50-60 mins, knock down, leave for 25, preheat oven, bung in after another 15. I go 11 mins @ 220, 9 mins @ 200, YMMV.

So 60 mins to rise, then knock back, then rest for 40 mins before baking (the 25 mins plus 15 mins)

moto748e · 09/01/2026 23:09

Yes, except I find 50 mins is enough now, but I doubt ten minutes either way makes that much difference. But as you say for the rest.

Shedmistress · 10/01/2026 08:47

soupyspoon · 09/01/2026 19:19

Just a sachet from the shops?

Im interested in trying this but I am strictly no knead

What about a dough mixer on a stand mixer?

And what do you do when you knock it back, just punch it and leave it?

And is this in a bowl or worktop?

If you have a mixer, which I do - I put my ingredients in the mixer, then mix until it is sticking to the sides. Then stop it, cover for one hour, then turn it back on again and once it is in a ball, stop the mixer, scoop the whole lot onto a sheet of greaseproof paper, put the sheet into my dutch oven, put the lid on it and then one hour later, put it in the oven with the lid on. Then after 15 mins, take the lid off and leave it to finish cooking until the top is brown.

soupyspoon · 10/01/2026 09:03

Shedmistress · 10/01/2026 08:47

If you have a mixer, which I do - I put my ingredients in the mixer, then mix until it is sticking to the sides. Then stop it, cover for one hour, then turn it back on again and once it is in a ball, stop the mixer, scoop the whole lot onto a sheet of greaseproof paper, put the sheet into my dutch oven, put the lid on it and then one hour later, put it in the oven with the lid on. Then after 15 mins, take the lid off and leave it to finish cooking until the top is brown.

So you dont preheat the casserole dish and what temp do you put the oven on and do you remove the dough hook while its resting in the mixer bowl for the first hour?

moto748e · 10/01/2026 12:05

Thus. It just looks like bread, but as I said, a bit overdone.

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Shedmistress · 10/01/2026 12:16

soupyspoon · 10/01/2026 09:03

So you dont preheat the casserole dish and what temp do you put the oven on and do you remove the dough hook while its resting in the mixer bowl for the first hour?

No, around 220 degrees C and no.

moto748e · 10/01/2026 12:34

I honestly think getting a mixer out of the cupboard for something like this completely crazy, it is the work of a few minutes by hand. 'Strong hands' are not necessary.

soupyspoon · 10/01/2026 13:04

The stand mixer lives on the worktop, always ready to go.

Shedmistress · 10/01/2026 13:14

moto748e · 10/01/2026 12:34

I honestly think getting a mixer out of the cupboard for something like this completely crazy, it is the work of a few minutes by hand. 'Strong hands' are not necessary.

I have enough 'strong hands' work to do with my pottery thanks, I'm more than happy to get the stand mixer out as and when I want. I bought it to make dough so there is no point it sitting in the cupboard. It's not an ornament.

soupyspoon · 10/01/2026 13:31

moto748e · 10/01/2026 12:05

Thus. It just looks like bread, but as I said, a bit overdone.

Thanks I will give this a try at some point, its quite dense bread though, mine is full of holes, really airy.

Im also in the habit of mixing my dough at around 8 at night then I dont touch it at all, then put it in the oven at 6 in the morning. A 10 hour rise.

Whereas I would need to find 2 hours in the day somewhere which would mean the time to do that and cooking the bread at night, whereas I like it fresh the same day. I dont want to get up at 4 in the morning!!

moto748e · 10/01/2026 13:51

That's why I find it convenient to do it in the evening. The couple of quick kneads i can do in a TV ad break. It's not 'dense' at all, really, just a perfectly normal crumb, although, as I said, that one is a bit overdone.

HolyFocacciaa · 10/01/2026 14:00

moto748e · 09/01/2026 17:41

I don't bother with 'no-knead' recipes (although I remember doing them as a kid, donkey's years ago), cos I only ever knead for 20-30 secs at a time, and I don't believe "knead for ten minutes" is ever necessary for normal loaves. For ordinary white flour, I have a ratio, which I multiply up and down depending on whether I want a few rolls or a small loaf. I've got a cheapo non-stick milk-saucepan with the handle unscrew d, making a great small cake tin. For that I use 230 g flour. 138 g water (I weigh it!), and 14 g of butter (melted). Half a tsp of salt, pour it all in together, mix it up with a silicon spatula, knead v briefly, cover and leave for 50-60 mins, knock down, leave for 25, preheat oven, bung in after another 15. I go 11 mins @ 220, 9 mins @ 200, YMMV.

Just catching up on the thread - glad you’ve found something that works for you, and you’ve got your trusty pan! I prefer stretch and folds to kneading now personally, and I also find it less faff/clean up which is good when I’ve got a 15MO

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