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Am needing help with E Numbers - food colours etc

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Rhiannon · 04/03/2001 16:31

My little boy is reacting to some E numbers, does anyone know which are the ones that are likely to make him 'bounce off the walls'. I have stopped Coke, Smarties, little sweets in general. He drinks half O.J and half water. I find he is calmer without the squash. He is 6 years old.
I read that Tartrazine is apparently a problem but what is it's number?

Thanks, in anticipation. Rhiannon

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Tigger · 04/03/2001 16:46

Watch the orange juice, pasta shapes in sauce, some kinds of cook in sauces, tomato sauce, wotsit crisps and other crisps, breakfast cereals, some frozen foods like fish, burgers, biscuits, some cheese has colour added. Try and cut out one thing at a time over a couple of days, it can take up to 3 weeks to get to the root of the problem. Good luck.

Robinw · 04/03/2001 20:12

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Kia · 04/03/2001 20:48

The following really made mine 'fly like a bird'!

  • especially blue and red colours in toothpaste
  • cheap fizzy drinks and dilute with water juices
  • lollies and ice cream
  • any kind of cheesy wotsit stuff
  • lucozaide
  • antibiotics in liquid form especially yellow
check out the hyperactive children support group website, the list is endless!
Kia · 04/03/2001 20:49

Oh and dont forget custard!

Sml · 05/03/2001 09:44

Rhiannon
tartrazine is E102, it is an azo dye. The azo dyes are all red/orange/yellow, and their numbers are all around 102 as far as I remember. They are the worst for reactions.
However, I have found reations to many other flavourings and preservatives and colours, eg (surprisingly) caramel, citric acid and lots of other Es. These things aren't derived from natural sources but are manufactured.
There is hope though, because most HA children apparently grow out of reacting to azo dyes.
Emmam, if you are reading this, can you supply the web address of the site you once mentioned giving details of E numbers? I need to look up Red Ponceau 4R to see if it is an azo dye and no longer have my copy of E for Additives.

Sml · 05/03/2001 09:49

Oh goodness I have a bad case of Monday morning here, I hadn't even seen that Robinw had already put up the number for tartrazine!

Emmam · 05/03/2001 14:36

Hi Sml - I can't remember the web page where I found all the info on, I know it was when I was looking up aspartame, but I'm darned if I can find it now. But...I have found the Hyperactive Children's Support Group, a UK Charity, on www.hacsg.org.uk. They have an interactive list of E numbers and you can even print out a copy to keep with you (you need Acrobat to read it).

I haven't been able to look at it myself yet as my Internet connection keeps crashing, so I hope its good.

Sml · 05/03/2001 15:30

Emmam - thank you. I went to the hacsg website and looked it up - I think it is an azo dye. this is great, because azo dyes used to make me really ill as a child - and when I last ate some by mistake around 8 years ago, I had a really bad reaction. BUT I ate some of this red dye at the weekend by mistake and guess what - no reaction!!! It looks as though I have finally grown out of being a hyperactive child! So there is definitely hope.

Emmam · 05/03/2001 16:08

Sml - I've just managed to look at the site too. Its not bad. I'm going to bookmark it so I don't forget it next time!

Glad to hear you're no longer a hyperactive child - Rhiannon, there's hope yet that your little boy will grow out of it too...in another 25 years time!

Rhiannon · 06/03/2001 09:38

I can't get on to the hacsg.org.uk website, can anyone help with some of the 'nastiest'colourings to avoid. Are there any basic,obvious, everyday foods that my son should be avoiding? We don't have Wotsits, but we do have a variety of cereals but I can't see any E's in those. What about things like fishfingers, any trouble with those?

Thanks, Rhiannon

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Sml · 06/03/2001 10:28

Rhiannon - I think Robinw's right, get a copy of E for Additives asap! Azo dyes are E102-130 approx, I think. But flavourings and preservatives can be pretty bad too - I'd cut out all additives and gradually reintroduce them. But it may be further complicated if he's reacting to some other food as well, eg wheat or egg. In this case, you would see an immediate improvement when you go off the additives, then after 3 or 4 weeks, the other reaction would kick in. Of course, by then, you might be reintroducing E numbers, so you'd think it was a reaction to them...it is quite hard and time consuming, but definitely worthwhile to get it right.

by the way, a further problem is that additives can be hidden inside other ingredients, eg "lemon juice" probably contains a preservative.
As a general rule, avoid all processed foods. This means none of the following:
longlife bread
shop cakes, even fresh from the bakery (but see below)
biscuits (see below). The ingredients always look OK, but they've always got something hidden in them.
ready made puddings eg Angel Delight
cereals (see below)
margerines & spreads (see below)
processed cheese, eg cheese triangles
most yoghurts and fromage frais
some tinned fruit has colours or preservatives in.
processed meat eg ham, bacon, sausages (see below)
processed frozen food eg fish finger, potato waffles
ice cream
sweets (see below)
bought pizzas
ready made pasta sauces, chicken sauces etc
jam (see below)
fruit juice - no pineapple, longlife apple or any other juice drink (see below)
fruit squash (see below)
and anything else processed you can imagine!

Foods which are OK include:
fresh bread from the bakery
biscuits: all butter shortbread where the ingredients don't include any funnies. Jordan's Fruesli raisin and almond gives me a reaction.
some Kellogs cereals are ok, eg corn flakes, rice crispies. Honey puffs are ok.
PURE spread is ok, so is Granose (health food shops)
some yoghurts/ff don't contain flavourings or colourings.
there are some sweets available at health food shops that don't contain additives.
Non "processed" cheese is ok of course, if it doesn't have a colouring in.
Bonne Maman Blackcurrant jam and Coop Blackcurrant preserve are the only two commonly available that don't contain citric acid. Wilkinson Old times marmalade is ok too, and one or two of their other types of marmalade.
Cakes are tricky - like biscuits they can have stuff hidden in them. Some expensive supermarket ones look ok though, as do some from health food shops.
Pure fruit juice - orange, freshly pressed apple are OK. Others are not.
Squash - organic additive free orange squash is ok.

Another note of caution is, don't believe that something is additive free merely because it is labelled as such, or because it is sold in a health food shop. Many products are labelled additive free, but contain citric acid or some other additive. Don't ask me why citric acid gives me a reaction, but it does. Maybe because the additive labelled "citric acid" actually contains other things as well, I am guessing.

Hope this helps your son to get better - happy label reading! Do you have any meaningful support from your doctor?

Rhiannon · 07/03/2001 11:28

Sml, thanks for all that great advice. We haven't seen the doctor as frankly he is not that bad which makes me presume he is only reacting to a few things. He had some pick and mix sweets the other day before my doctor's appointment and quite literally he was bouncing off the walls of the waiting room! It's probably best to monitor what he eats and how he behaves afterwards,I'll also get the book.

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