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World War 2 Rationing Challenge: too much food?

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StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 18:32

My partner has bet me I can't follow the UK world war 2 ration for November 1943 for a week.

I've just done the shopping for it and it seems like too much food. I can't work out what I'm doing wrong. Has anyone done this?

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mathanxiety · 19/11/2023 19:08

BreadBag · 19/11/2023 18:45

Whether or not that is enough food for you is personal isn't it.

Looking at a previous post I am surprised to see 227g of sugar for a week, I think I bought 1kg about 1 year ago (for a Christmas Cake) and am still not 1/2 way through.

People used sugar to make jam and thus preserve any fruit they could come upon, and sugar is used in pickling too, which preserved vegetables.

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:08

I'm not using anything from a freezer: I bought some mince and I'm only keeping the amount for the weekly ration out: the rest is going in the freezer for some time in the future.

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StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:10

tescocreditcard · 19/11/2023 19:08

What are you planning on drinking coz there's no tea or coffee there. Was that rationed as well?

57g tea is allowed but I don't drink tea. Coffee was never rationed because it wasn't very popular.

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LylaLee · 19/11/2023 19:11

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:00

Ok here we go:

Unlimited seasonal UK grown fruit and veg
Unrationed beer, oats, brown bread, game (limited to one item, e.g. a piece of venison or a pheasant)
Meat costing 1s2d which was worth about £2.68 in 2021 so I'm upping it to £2.75 so I bought minced beef
113g smoked streaky bacon
227g sugar
Homemade damson jam 57g
Cheese, lard and butter: 57g of each
Flora hard margarine 113g
Equivalent of 12 eggs in dried egg powder
5 points spent on: 3 x 85g spam and 2 tins baked beans
1 meal out costing no more than the equivalent of 5 shillings (£13.95): I'm going to have fish and chip supper

Well it's obvious why you feel like you've got 'loads and loads of food.'

Unlimited veg/fruit: no
People in cities had a hard time getting fruit and veg.

People in the countryside had a better time with that, but fewer people were working the land, so less was available.

Someone in London isn't going to have had venison/pheasant.

I don't know how much oats people would have been able to get.

That's a whole breakfast.

Also, remember food was more expensive in general. Just because bread wasn't rationed, it doesn't mean a factory worker and his wife could have afforded loads and loads of bread and other unrationed things.

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:12

CrunchyCarrot · 19/11/2023 19:07

Hmmm OP I am wondering whether you'd have had a freezer back in the early 1940s. I found:

Separate freezers became common during the 1940s; the term for the unit, popular at the time, was deep freeze. These devices, or appliances, did not go into mass production for use in the home until after World War II

So whilst they existed, possibly you wouldn't have had one.

Also I'd challenge 'unlimited vegetables' because I bet many weren't available - if you are going on November then you should only buy veg/fruit available home grown in this month.

I've only bought UK grown seasonal fruit and vegetables from my local market.

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mathanxiety · 19/11/2023 19:12

@tescocreditcard
Both tea and coffee were imported and were rationed.

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:14

I don't think a pheasant is impossible. I'll get a rabbit next week.

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StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:16

Vegetables I bought: potatoes, three carrots, some Brussels, one onion, one leek, half a cauliflower shared with my partner, some kale which I'm not keen on and some mushrooms.

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StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:19

Oats were suggested by the government as a good breakfast. They weren't rationed during the war and I'm trying to go by what was available in November 1943.

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Countmeout · 19/11/2023 19:23

Placemarking as I find this very interesting.

LylaLee · 19/11/2023 19:23

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:14

I don't think a pheasant is impossible. I'll get a rabbit next week.

The point is that the majority of people would not have had access to meat like that. Only the mince you listed.

It's a bit like someone saying, "I don't know why people find flying stressful. You can nap in the VIP lounge, and in first class the food is great!"

Most people don't have that experience.

You say you're trying to reproduce rationing conditions, but you're introducing meat and veg which the majority of people wouldn't have had access to.

Georgyporky · 19/11/2023 19:24

My parents were adults at that time, hadn't yet met, living in London, & both said they never went hungry. Dad was luckier as his parents were originally country folk & kept a few rabbits & chickens .
A fridge was a rarity, & freezers were unheard of for the hoi-polloi !
Meat was kept in a "meat safe" ( small cupboard with a mesh front) in the darkest, coolest part of the home.

Good luck OP, keep us posted.

mathanxiety · 19/11/2023 19:25

Don't forget that people either walked or biked everywhere they needed to go and keeping house, cooking, and laundry involved a lot more physical labour than it does now. Houses were cold too - there was no central heating. Many families included older teens, boys and girls alike, as well as individuals whonwerent in any of the forces, who spent long days working in war industries.

As the war wore on, clothing was patched and darned. Coats became threadbare, and footwear was more and more likely to be inadequate.

The calories in/ calories out balance was often cut very close. There weren't many fat people back then.

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 19/11/2023 19:28

Bread wasn't rationed until later. When it was rationed, the amount for the average adult was 9oz a day, some of that could be swapped out for cake or flour.

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 19/11/2023 19:29

That bread won't last long as it will go stale in a day or two. Bread didn't last long due to lack of preservatives. When you think you need to make 21 meals out of that it's not going to go very far and will be very boring and bland. No snacks.

eddiemairswife · 19/11/2023 19:38

The margarine was absolutely disgusting. Meat had more fat in it 'which made delicious dripping from beef and pork. My mother made delicious rabbit pie. Chicken would be eaten for Christmas dinner only. When bananas came back they were available on a green ration book only(under 5s). Most people would have sugar in their tea. When sweet rationing ended the sweets disappeared virtually overnight due to adults buying most of them, so rationing was reimposed.

Georgyporky · 19/11/2023 19:42

"No snacks."

Good idea ! It would solve the current obesity problem.

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:43

In my defence, the challenge was to live on the ration of November 1943 for a week, not to replicate the entire lifestyle of someone living in London in 1943.

The context is that my partner is a vegan and I'm a meat-based woman. I like spices and trying out new foods, and I don't eat many carbs or much dairy.

Fish wasn't rationed but was harder to come by, it's hard to transport and keep fresh so I didn't buy it.

Also people ate out a lot more at "British restaurants" especially in London and other cities, but I can't really do that and mimic the sort of food they'd have access to, so I'm allowing myself a pheasant in lieu of that, which I don't think is unreasonable.

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Caspianberg · 19/11/2023 19:45

That doesn’t look like much food to me? I mean 2 carrots and a leek and onion isnt a week worth of veg is it?
1 loaf of bread won’t last a whole week if your eating with most meals to supplement

My grandmother grew up in ww2, she always said they had plenty to eat also. Not fancy, probably not vitamin rich but her and 6 siblings were bought up in a town in Kent. Vats of porridge, lots of homemade soups and casseroles, toast and bread with every meal. They made lots of homemade jam for winter and went scrumping for apples in farmer fields. Probably not much meat

LylaLee · 19/11/2023 19:46

Did restaurants stamp your ration book or something? Because if not, the rich could just eat out and not be affected by rationing.

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:49

Caspianberg · 19/11/2023 19:45

That doesn’t look like much food to me? I mean 2 carrots and a leek and onion isnt a week worth of veg is it?
1 loaf of bread won’t last a whole week if your eating with most meals to supplement

My grandmother grew up in ww2, she always said they had plenty to eat also. Not fancy, probably not vitamin rich but her and 6 siblings were bought up in a town in Kent. Vats of porridge, lots of homemade soups and casseroles, toast and bread with every meal. They made lots of homemade jam for winter and went scrumping for apples in farmer fields. Probably not much meat

I couldn't carry any more! I'll get more bread and veg in the week (sticking to the UK and seasonal rules) and it would be good to look for some fruit because the only seasonal UK fruit I could find were russet apples and Bramley apples. I can also get another pint of milk.

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StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:53

LylaLee · 19/11/2023 19:46

Did restaurants stamp your ration book or something? Because if not, the rich could just eat out and not be affected by rationing.

British restaurants (communal kitchens) were cheap and mainly used by people who hadn't been able to afford to eat out before. They served a three course slap up meal at a very reasonable price. www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/history/british-restaurants

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Itisyourturntowashthebath · 19/11/2023 19:54

Apples, pears, quinces, sloes and medlars are probably the only seasonal fruit available in mid November.

LylaLee · 19/11/2023 19:55

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:53

British restaurants (communal kitchens) were cheap and mainly used by people who hadn't been able to afford to eat out before. They served a three course slap up meal at a very reasonable price. www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/history/british-restaurants

I suppose that would actually be more efficient population-wise. Less waste.

StoatofDisarray · 19/11/2023 19:57

Itisyourturntowashthebath · 19/11/2023 19:54

Apples, pears, quinces, sloes and medlars are probably the only seasonal fruit available in mid November.

This is true. I saw some UK rhubarb today but it was £10 a kilo.

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