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Annabel Karmel - helpful hints or one big guilt trip?

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Kmg · 28/02/2001 19:10

Well, I stick by what I said earlier - I found her books great. My younger son couldn't eat dairy products, so had to have a radically different diet from what we would normally eat anyway, and there are loads of other things I wouldn't want a baby eating. It's all very well saying they can eat the same as you, but often they can't. And getting the processor out to blend up one meal is such a hassle. And anyway they want their food luke warm, whereas we want ours hot - but not stewed into oblivion whilst waiting for theirs to cool down ...

Sorry, but I found her book really useful. My boys ate almost exclusively AK 4-10 months, and some later too, (though we have always all eaten all meals together as a family). And they are now better eaters than any other children I have come across.

I might be the only one, but I am a fan!

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Marina · 01/03/2001 10:29

Re: Joanna Blythman - The Food our Children Eat. This is on special offer for £3.99 at Red House, a very good discount book website. I found it a few months ago and it has a regularly changing selection of good quality baby and children's books. Can't do links but the site is:

www.redhouse.co.uk

Viv · 01/03/2001 13:31

Kmg, I'm with you, I have used a number of her books extensively, with a few shortcuts and varations admittedly. I have just bought her 'Family Meals' one and have found this great for cooking meals we can all enjoy and eat together,especially if I spice up the recipes a bit for the adults. Our daughter loves most of the food from these books, but if you ask her her favourite food guess what, McDonalds Chicken nuggets and Chips!!

Bugsy · 06/03/2001 10:38

Why do people feel guilty about giving jars? It is not as though they are filled with poison. Obviously, it would be a shame if your child got nothing other than jars because it would be boring but it wouldn't kill them and they would probably be pefectly well nourished.

Janus · 06/03/2001 20:04

I feel guilty about giving mine jars because I'm a stay at home Mum and think everyone must wonder why I don't therefore cook up meals as I should have time to. The truth is I've tried many of Karmel's recipes and mine won't touch anything I cook myself! I'm trying not to take it personally!! I can make any amount of fruit puree for her but try a leek pie, mixed veg, chicken and tomato, etc, and she will literally wail, shake her head and, if any gets in, vomit! I could literally end up in tears after spending 45 minutes or more cooking something to obviously be hated so passionately and after the umpteenth time gave up and moved to jars. I do, about once a week, try something new that I've cooked but get the same reaction still!
I think it's the urge to try and do your best and if you cook it yourself then you know exactly what's in the mix. I use organic jars as at least there's no added salt, etc, so I ease my conscience that way. However, I know how time-consuming a baby is and if you have a fussy eater, other children, are working or just plain old knackered, I think jar foods can just make things easier on everyone and that's not a bad thing, surely?
Each to their own, I think either way is right. No-one knows what other demands a person has at home and I think people should give jar-feeders a bit of a break.

Marina · 07/03/2001 09:42

My son has had plenty of jars in his time Janus (the organic ones are best) and is none the worse for it. Being a mum is exhausting whether we're with them 24/7 or away from them some of the time. I found mixing a fave jar half and half with something like frozen spinach or my own concoctions was a good way to phase in food that had previously been spat out, by the way.
I also find Baby Organix Farmhouse Veg Baby Rice an excellent mixer for thickening up home-made stuff enough to keep it on his spoon while it wobbles over to his mouth. I've heard people criticise "filler " (usually powdered rice) in manufactured baby foods as though it was arsenic. Funny how a couple of months prior to that it was the ONLY thing you were supposed to give them.

Paula1 · 07/03/2001 12:08

I used jars and my own concoctions for my son, and he would eat anything (except potato) when he was tiny. Now however he is very fussy, so in my case giving a wide variety of foods to ensure I didn't end up with a fussy eater didn't work at all. I too don't think you should beat yourself up about using jars. I personally used organic jars, there was something about the Heinz food that really put me off, why are all their foods dayglo orange??? No matter what the flavour is supposed to be?

Snowy · 09/03/2001 15:44

I used the jars and mixed them with other food.
So a piece of fish would go nicley with a jar of
mixed veg. A little bit of our spag bol mixed in
with one from a jar. This helped me get over the
everthing mum cooks is vile stage. He hasn't had
a jar for months now (he's 2) but they were really handy for a while there.

I found the organic jars a lot better than the
others a bit more like real food.

Tigermoth · 09/03/2001 16:06

I loved the Baby Organics jars, and as did my son Delicious on toast....As for Boots Round the World strawberries and cream jar, what a treat!

Rhiannon · 10/03/2001 17:26

Abby, presuming you are in England I too would thoroughly recommend the Boots round the world dinners. The only prepared baby food that seems to taste like what it's supposed to.

My kids both loved the chinese pork balls, the curry and the salmon in cream sauce. Yum.

Emmagee · 12/03/2001 11:32

Tigermoth
i am sooooo looking forward to my imminent baby getting to the stage of eating Baby Organix banana porrige! I never minded when my first baby didn't manage to finish the bowl - or did i make too much on purpose?

Nw · 12/03/2001 13:48

With my first baby I too spent hours cooking, freezing and nearly lost a finger in a hand blender. With number 2 I have only used jars, he likes the food and I'm less stressed, now at 6 months I am starting to whizz up some of our food for him. I can recommend baked beans mixed up with cheese, scrummy!!

Navaho · 03/04/2001 20:37

I think the Annabel watsername book is a joke really. I mean WHO has the time and even if you did wouldn't our darlings just throw it back at us. I make a huge pot of food for my 14 month old at the start of each week. I put in lots of veg carbohydrate and a meat. Simmer it for 20 mins and then blend it. She eats it twice a day for a week , and I vary the contents. They are not like us where we need variety each meal they are not that bothered, well she isn't. Sometimes I do two varieties so she gets a different lunch from her tea. Its dead easy, and Im so lucky she likes it. The only problem is she won't take jarred food at all so I can't use them for an emergency!! Does anyone else do this? or am I just a bit odd.

Ailsa · 14/04/2001 22:33

Both of my kids (now 6½ and 3½) have always had a mixture of home cooked (mushed up adult food without the salt) and jars. When my daughter was 9 months old we took her abroad for the first time, I was really worried about how she would cope with the hotel food, and, that we were only staying on a half board basis, so thank goodness for Heinz jars, bought from another hotel's supermarket, no preparation involved, no trying to find child friendly restaurants/cafes, all we had to do was find somewhere to sit (usually on the beach) get the jar out, and, as they say Bob's you're uncle!!! Luckily she didn't mind eating the jars cold, you name it she ate it. My worries about the hotel food were totally unfounded, as she loved it, and because she was one of the youngest children in the hotel, she was well pampered by the waiting staff.

My son was pretty much the same, he's now 3½ years old, and absolutely loves Chicken Bhuna Balti, he eats more of my portion than I do!!!! They both still have a weekly visit to a certain well known burger chain, they're more interested in the toys than the food, the only sticky patch we had with him was trying to get him to eat the dreaded CARROTS, Mother-in-Law has solved this one for me, he loves mashed potato and gravy, so she mashes up his carrots and mixes them in, and pours gravy on top, he's so busy concentrating on the potato and gravy that he doesn't realise that he's eating carrots as well.

Anyway, back on to the main topic, Annabel Karmel, who is she? I've never heard of her, and, the only childrens recipe book I have ever used (borrowed) was one for birthday cakes. Basically, the kids eat whatever I have time to cook whether it's from a tin (Ravioli/Spaghetti on toast) or completely home cooked (spag bol/lasagne), whatever they eat, over the week they have had a well balanced diet, they're healthy, rarely get ill, so surely that's the only thing that matters.

Maybe my following question is for another discussion but here I go anyway, My daughter has been watching alot of the news on tv recently, and seen pictures of sheep and cows being culled because of Foot and Mouth, because of this she has decided that she doesn't want to eat anything that was alive before it became food for us. Has anyone got any tips to make sure that she still gets all her essential vitamins and minerals? I have just bought some of those children's chewable mulitvitamin and mineral tablets, but don't really want to continue along that line, I'd much rather she got everything she needs naturally. Any tips or suggestions would be most gratefully received.

Star · 15/04/2001 16:52

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Jbr · 15/04/2001 19:34

It's just another thing saying the role of "Mum" means being a cook!

I haven't read the recipes and don't intend to. I read somewhere that working mothers don't feed their kids properly! What rubbish. Not having a job doesn't make you a good cook, some people can cook some can't and some like me aren't interested in cooking!

Midge · 15/04/2001 19:49

To follow JBR (again!) I'm a SAHP and a terrible cook with little interest in cooking (I can service my own car though) I bought the A K book because my HV recommended it. It suggested a few purees I hadn't thought of but after that I decided AK has got too much spare time on her hands.
I overheard the same HV recommending AK to another unsuspecting parent recently, I sould ask her is she's ever actually read the damns books.

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Jac · 16/04/2001 08:28

Well mine are eating nothing but easter eggs at the moment. I wonder what AK would think about that!! Also I just want to get rid of them, 18 in total!

Janh · 16/04/2001 12:57

jac, if you have 18 children i think you should seriously consider selling a few of them off - you could make a packet!

Catht · 16/04/2001 22:27

Admittedly I enjoy cooking but here are some very simple recipes that my child enjoyed when she'd grown out of plain pureed veg. I always make big batches and freeze in small portions, so it's just a case of putting one in the microwave for tea.

Liver casserole + mashed potatoes + turnip.
Baby pasta shapes with sauce of tomato/onion/courgette/pepper/mushroom.
Macaroni cheese with broccoli.
White fish in a tomato sauce with couscous.
Mashed potato, salmon/tuna, broccoli/courgette.
Chick peas in tomato sauce with couscous and cheese.
Chicken fricassee + rice.
Chilli con carne + rice.
Shepherds Pie.
Spaghetti bolognese.
Any kind of leftover stew with mashed potatoes.

I agree with the other members who said they don't feel at all guilty about giving their child jars - mine certainly loves all of them. I prefer home cooking though as it's cheaper and I want to get my child used to my cooking.

Lil · 17/04/2001 08:39

Got to tell you all, I've have just discovered a really easy shortcut on the food front (I hate cooking!). If you buy a ready made one portion shepherds pie or ocean pie etc from the supermarket (about £1), you can cut it in 4, and microwave each portion as you need for baby. Admittedly baby gets the same dish for 4 days in a row, but as someone already said here, he doesn't mind at all!adult food, no jars, no cooking...hallelujah!

Jac · 17/04/2001 11:03

Ha ha Janh, very funny! They are nearly gone (the easter eggs that is!) only about 3 left. Hubby is a complete chocoholic and was even contemplating buying them up now that they reduce them. We used to do this before we had children.

Emmam · 18/04/2001 09:04

Get yourself a big packet of mixed frozen veg. You can make 'cheesy vegetable pasta' - bung a handful of frozen veg in a saucepan, bung a handful of macaroni in a saucepan, make up cheese sauce (from dried mixed), stir the lot together. Serve. You can make 'spicy tomato veg stew' - open can of chopped tomatoes, put in bowl with dash of tabasco, dried herbs and a blob of tomato ketchup, nuke for 30 seconds and, using a hand blender, mix into smooth sauce. Dice up a potato, bung in saucepan with handful of frozen veg, when cooked, mix with the tomato sauce. Serve. For variations on the above, add chicken, add bits of bacon, tuna etc. Make up loads and freeze what's left.

A jar of gravy granules, a jar of cheese sauce granules, packet of frozen veg, potatoes, pasta and a few other basics and you could probably invent something different everyday, all of which takes only 10 minutes to prepare and cook. I use all Tescos value range as well, so its cheap, cheerful and generally gets eaten all up. Can be used for all ages - just blend within an inch of its life for tinies, or leave lumpy for toddlers and older kids.

Simple - bog off Annabel whatsyername!!

Cawthorne · 18/04/2001 11:11

buy a piece of fresh fish and freeze in small portions. 2 mins on defrost and 2 mins with butter on cook and my son loves it with frozen peas and pasta.
Another favourite is mashed potato with grated cheese and peas (cheesey peas ?!). Houmous is also very popular, they love dipping and a plate of slicd veg and a dish or houmous and cream cheese go down a treat.

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