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Just made Lasagne for the first time...

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MummyPenguin · 23/01/2008 19:03

It tasted really nice, but went quite sloppy. There seemed to be a load of beef lasagne sauce and less
pasta. I used a Ragu red and white sauce, followed the instructions on the jars, the only thing I did that the instructions didn't say to do was put a can of chopped tomatoes in too. Is this why it went sloppy and fell apart when I dished it up? But then if I don't use the tomatoes to bulk it out more there probabaly won't be enough to feed five of us.

I used a large deep lasagne type dish and put two peppers, mushrooms and an onion in too. I wanted it to all stay together when I dished it up but it didn't.

From what I've said, does anyone know why it went sloppy (or is that normal?) I used one packet of fresh lasagne sheets. The packet said to cook them for 3 - 4 mins first which I did, although I wasn't entirely sure that that was necessary.

Lasagne makers - tips on creating a nice Lasagne that stays 'stiff' (for want of a better word) when it's dished up will be appreciated.

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OriginalFlame · 23/01/2008 19:05

If you're using jars for decent size portions for 5 of you... you need 2 jars of each.

I use dried pasta so dunno about the cooking i didn't think that you did have to cook it.

MummyPenguin · 23/01/2008 19:05

Once it was dished up, there was pasta floating around in a lot of beef and sauce in the dish. Should I have used more pasta sheets to hold it together better?

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OriginalFlame · 23/01/2008 19:07

How much mince did you use?

The extra fluid from the tomatoes will have messed with their planned consistency anyway, but you will probably have neede dmore meat than they suggest for a family sized thingy anyway.

BreeVanDerCampLGJ · 23/01/2008 19:10

Don't use jars.

It is a doddle to make, hold on will google for a Delia recipe.

PeachesMcLean · 23/01/2008 19:10

I use dried lasagne too - you can get stuff that you just put in and you don't have to cook it. So long as there's sauce around every bit of the pasta it cooks nicely in 35 mins or so.

MummyPenguin · 23/01/2008 19:11

I used one large size (800 g) packet of mince. On the jars it said to use 350 g mince which is no way near enough.

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bozza · 23/01/2008 19:11

I don't use jars. But I basically make a bologneise sauce and a white sauce. Then one layer of bol., one layer of pasta, one layer of white sauce, then repeat and top with grated cheese. Maybe next time cook your ragu in the pan for longer so that the liquid reduces a bit more. Also maybe leave the lasagne in the oven for a bit longer to crisp up a bit more.

BreeVanDerCampLGJ · 23/01/2008 19:16

ST Delia speaks.....

Because it is so often ideal to serve a large amount of people I've doubled my original quantities so that it will now serve 10-12 people. If, however, you only want to serve 4-5 people, make up the full quantity, divide the mixture between 2 ovenproof dishes ? base measurement 9 inch (23 cm) square, 1½ in (4 cm) deep ? and freeze half for another time.

Serves 10-12

Ingredients
1 lb (450 g) green no-cook lasagne sheets (about 24 sheets)

14 oz (400 g) Mozzarella, diced

4 oz (110 g) Parmesan (Parmigiano Reggiano), freshly grated

For the ragù Bolognese:

12 oz (350 g) minced beef

12 oz (350 g) minced pork

6 oz (175 g) chicken livers

2 x 100 g packs pancetta

4 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil

1 large onion, finely chopped

2 fat cloves garlic, chopped

2 tins Italian chopped tomatoes, one 400 g, one 230 g

6 level tablespoons tomato purée

6 fl oz (175 ml) red wine

whole nutmeg

salt and freshly milled black pepper

1 x 15 g pack fresh basil

For the cream sauce:

2½ pints (1.5 litres) milk

6 oz (175 g) butter

4 oz (110 g) plain flour

6 fl oz (175 ml) double cream

You will also need your largest frying pan, a medium flameproof casserole with a 4½ pint (2.6 litre) capacity and a roasting tin or ovenproof dish measuring about 10 x 12 x 3 inches (25.5 x 30 x 7.5 cm), well buttered.

Click here for casseroles, frying pans and roasting dishes from Head Cook

First of all take the large frying pan, the largest you have, and heat 1 tablespoon of the oil over a medium heat and gently fry the onion for about 10 minutes, moving it around from time to time. While the onion is softening, chop the pancetta: the best way to do this after opening the pack is to roll the contents into a sausage shape, then using a sharp knife, slice it lengthways into 4, then slice the lengths across as finely as possible. After 10 minutes, add this to the pan to join the onion, add the garlic and continue cooking the whole lot for about 5 minutes.

Now transfer this mixture to the casserole. Then add another tablespoon of oil to the pan, turn up the heat to it highest then add the minced beef and brown it, breaking it up and moving it round in the pan. A wooden fork is really helpful here. When the beef is browned tip it into the casserole to join the onions etc then heat another tablespoon of oil and do exactly the same with the minced pork. While the pork is browning, trim the chicken livers, rinse them under cold running water and dry them thoroughly with kitchen paper. Pull off any skin and snip out any odd bits of fat or tubes with kitchen scissors and chop them minutely small. When the pork is browned, transfer that to the casserole, then finally heat the remaining tablespoon of oil and cook the pieces of chicken liver, adding these to the casserole as soon as they have browned nicely.

Next you need to remove the pan then place the casserole over the direct heat and give everything a really good stir together, then add the contents of both tins of tomatoes, the tomato purée, red wine and a really good seasoning of salt, pepper and about a quarter of a nutmeg, grated. More stirring now, then allow this to come up to simmering point. While that happens strip the leaves from half the basil, tear them into small pieces and add them to the pot. Then as soon as everything is simmering, place the casserole on the centre shelf of the oven, pre-heated to gas mark 1, 275°F (140°C), and leave it to cook slowly, without a lid, for exactly 4 hours. (For important information about cooking at gas mark 1, click here) It's a good idea to have a look after 3 hours to make sure all is well and have a good stir, but what you should end up with is a thick, reduced concentrated sauce with only a trace of liquid left in it, so when that happens remove it from the oven, taste to check the seasoning then strip the leaves off the remaining basil, tear them small and stir them in.

Now to make the cream sauce, place the milk, butter and flour and some seasoning in a large thick-based saucepan. Place this over a gentle heat and whisk continuously with a balloon whisk until the sauce comes to simmering point and thickens. Then, with the heat as low as possible, continue to cook the sauce for about 10 minutes.

After that, sieve the sauce into a bowl, beat in the cream, taste and season if it needs it and grate in another quarter of the whole nutmeg. Now spread about a quarter of the ragù over the base of the prepared roasting tin or dish. Cover this with one fifth of the cream sauce, followed by a quarter of the diced mozzarella, then arrange a single layer of the lasagne over the top (about 6 sheets). I find you need four placed side by side lengthways and the other two halved and spread along the gap that's left. Repeat this process, finishing with a final layer of cream sauce. Then cover the whole lot with the grated Parmesan cheese ? and the lasagne is ready for the oven. All this preparation can be done well in advance. Then when you're ready to bake the lasagne pop it into a pre-heated oven, gas mark 4, 350°F (180°C) on the upper shelf for 45-50 minutes or until it's bubbling and turning slightly golden on top.

St Delia.

Slouchy · 23/01/2008 19:19

Well done LGJ.
Mummy penguin - lasagne really is everso easy (St DElia can look a bit daunting if you are not a confident cook)

As long as you can make a roux(white) sauce, you are laughing.

(I'd always use dried lasagne myself, takes about 35mins in a hot oven to cook through.)

MummyPenguin · 23/01/2008 19:21

Thanks for that... sounds very complicated and time consuming though! I think next time I'll perhaps not use the chopped tomatoes, and not cook the pasta sheets to make them firmer.

It wasn't too bad on reflection, I just had visions of lifting out of the dish nice square 'stacky' portions of Lasagne but it went a bit splat. It did taste really nice, DS1 had two helpings so it can't have been too bad!

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MummyPenguin · 23/01/2008 19:23

I bet that Delia recipe is really nice but it just looks ever so daunting.

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OriginalFlame · 23/01/2008 19:23

I quite like splat

I tend to use a jar of white sauce but make my own red. very very basic - tinned tomatoes, onion, garlic, mushrooms (if we have any ), tomato purée, peppers and a splash of beef oxo, ooh a splosh of wine and Worcester sauce if I can be arsed too.

fondant4000 · 23/01/2008 19:24

Hey I use the jars - if I had time I'd do it from scratch but you can get a decent lasagne (meat or veg) with jars.

I think the chopped tomatoes were probably the cause of the sloppiness. It wd be better to use another jar of sauce (I got some for about 50p a jar from Lidls

I also use creme fraiche instead of white sauce (time again). Only put it on as the very last layer with cheese mixed in, and some cheese grated on top.

I chopped and roasted my peppers, courgettes and mushrooms (again easier with toddlers - only 25 mins in the oven, and you can use the same dish to make the lasagne!) then mised them in with the sauce.

Layers:
Thin layer of sauce
Layer of pasta sheets
Layer of sauce
Layer of pasta sheets
Layer of creme fraiche mixed with cheese
cheese sprinkled on top.

I would not use more pasta sheets as it can turn into a brick!

fondant4000 · 23/01/2008 19:26

Oh and I thought cooking pasta sheets went out at the same time as putting your washing through a mangle . Have never cooked lasagne sheets - even when making the 'proper' delia way.

Slouchy · 23/01/2008 19:31

OK, my recipe.

Chop onions finely, fry gently in a little olive oil. Add chopped garlic (Schwartz do a dried version of this which is fine to use). Brown your mince, add tin of chopped toms, splash red wine (Optional), splash worc sauce, good sprinkling of mixed herbs, another of dried basil. You can put a bay leaf or two in, and/or sprig of thyme.Simmer for a while (15-20 mions?) until liquid is reduced but not all gone.

Meanwhile make the sauce. You need about a dessert spoon of butter and 2ish heaped spoons plain flour. Melt butter, add flour and mix together. You are aiming for a doughball consistency. When you get that, cook the ball (called ROUX) for a couple of mins in the pan until it goes paler, then add a good splash of milk. Bring it to the boil, stirring often - the fat melts and the flour is absorbed. Keep doing this until the sacuse is the consistency of cream, then add a couple of handfuls grated cheese (cheddar works fine) and about 1/2 teaspoon nutmeg.

Layer your lasag, pour sauce on top. Into over at 190ish for about 20-25 mins, then add lots more grated cheese on top. Cok for another 10ish mins.

MummyPenguin · 23/01/2008 20:41

Thanks for your tips guys, Fondant4000 - I'm glad someone's with me on the jars! I think the sloppiness was caused by the chopped tomatoes too. Next time I'll use another jar of sauce and not cook the pasta sheets. After we'd all eaten it there was loads left swimming in the dish. It didn't go to waste though, it was given to the dogs mixed in with dog mixer!! They were delighted.

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bozza · 23/01/2008 20:43

I think there is a middle ground between delia and jars and I think slouchy has got it. Although I would also add mushrooms and peppers, as you did IIRC mummypenguin. But I like to up the veg content wherever possible.

Twiglett · 23/01/2008 20:47

the meat bit

brown 500g mince, add tin chopped tomatoes, chopped onion, sliced mushrooms, green pepper, 2 garlic cloves, 1 tbsp basil, 1/2 tbsp oregano, sprinkle rosemary, bay leaf, splash worcester sauce, simmer for 30 mins

the white sauce bit
melt 1 oz butter, add tbsp flour and stir madly for a couple minutes, slowly add about 3/4 pint milk, add grated mature cheddar to taste

layer meat, cheese sauce, dry pasta finish with cheese sauce .. sprinkle on grated cheese

bake 40 mins

done

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