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PigletJohn · 23/05/2021 19:20

Is there an English term for Viennoiserie?

Sweet, yeast-based small baked items such as croissants, snail buns, pains au chocolat, Danish pastries?

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GreenLeafTurnip · 23/05/2021 19:43

I think I would just refer to them as pastries but I'm sure Google will tell you something!

PigletJohn · 23/05/2021 20:49

google gives examples, but not a word. I tend to the view that in English there isn't one.

I think I will call them pastries (even though it is incorrect) and if someone tells me it's wrong, I will agree and ask them for the English term.

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RestingPandaFace · 23/05/2021 20:59

No I don’t think there’s an English equivalent.

RestingPandaFace · 23/05/2021 21:01

Although having just posted that there’s not , the closest is probably morning goods, although that includes bread so no exactly the same.

DancesWithDaffodils · 23/05/2021 21:34

Morning goods or pastries.

Although, googling "Snail bun" brings up literal snail shaped Danish pastry type goods. Is there a better description?

PigletJohn · 24/05/2021 00:02

Cinnamon roll is an example.

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PigletJohn · 24/05/2021 00:26

Pain aux raisins

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DancesWithDaffodils · 24/05/2021 07:00

So anything that has a snail shell spiral. Minus a head and clove or raisin for an eye! Thank you.

lazylinguist · 24/05/2021 07:09

Why do you say 'pastries' is incorrect, OP?

PigletJohn · 24/05/2021 08:55

Yeast-based bread products are not made of pastry.

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lazylinguist · 24/05/2021 09:26

Hmmm, I guess so. But that's still pretty much our name for them in English, regardless of what ingredients they have, so I'm not sure it counts as 'wrong'. Paste, pasta, pastry, pasty... all comes from the same word and you can change what you make them out of. Yeast-free bread, wheat-free various things etc. Besides,the plural 'pastries' is specifically for croissants, danishes etc, not used in the same way as the singular 'pastry'.

TheSpottedZebra · 24/05/2021 09:35

Agree pastries is correct. Even Danish pastries!

SnoopsCaliforniaRoll · 24/05/2021 10:08

@PigletJohn

Yeast-based bread products are not made of pastry.
I had not twigged this at all!

Yes, I have only ever seen these items referred to as pastries or 'bakery items' or 'baked goods' on breakfast menus.

Viennoiseries or patisseries are much more beautiful words to describe them.

PigletJohn · 24/05/2021 10:41

Thanks.

Pastries it is.

I had a grandfather who was a Swiss-French maître pâtissier and set up in England. He insisted that he was a Master Baker but it does not translate well as I don't think we have the equivalent. I think he wanted to convey that he was the business owner as well as a craftsman.

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lazylinguist · 24/05/2021 11:19

Anyone else craving pastries now? Grin

strangeshapedpotato · 24/05/2021 23:50

Hot dogs don't contain any dog either....

English is a very odd language Grin

PetuniaPot · 24/05/2021 23:54

I'd call them pastries/ breakfast pastries.

Anything actually made of pastry we'd call by it's form: pie, tart, turnover.

Mad really.

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