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Food - is there a list of what to avoid?

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lunavix · 29/01/2007 19:11

People say to avoid sweeteners like aspartame, and other people are anti-marg - is there a list of these things and why we should avoid them?

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Mercy · 29/01/2007 19:21

lunavix, I'll come back this (about to put kids to bed) but there was a thread in the last few days re trans-fats, hydrogenated fat and palm oil. I agree a list shoudl be made; I discovered a few surprises in my cupboards and fridge/freezer

NotQuiteCockney · 29/01/2007 19:31

My rule is: I look at ingredients. If there are things in there that I don't recognise as food, then we probably shouldn't be eating it. (I make an exception for ascorbic acid, and a few other things, but not much.)

lunavix · 29/01/2007 19:36

what are stabilisers and emulsifiers? are they okay? and is olive oil okay?

I was going to buy healthy living creme fraiche and cottage cheese but am worried about is it just skimmed milk?

also apart from obv. fruit veg and water what is good to snack on and drink? Bearing in mind I've been drinking diet drinks for years... this is a big step!

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elclose · 29/01/2007 19:49

well for kids go to the organix website they have the 'dirty dozen'of what to avoid

lunavix · 29/01/2007 19:52

Are rachels and yeo valley fat free yoghurts still okay?

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Hillary · 29/01/2007 20:01

Sweetners like aspartame can cause asthma, they are a false food, marg is also full of crap there was a trial done with animals, they put a lump of marg and a lump of butter, not one animal touched the marg!

Emulsifiers are just a bulk and thickener they can be either egg or soya usualy E322 which doesnt have to state which.

Yoghurts tend to contain alot of sugar, I've always been advised to go for natural yoghurt.

Mercy · 29/01/2007 20:05

Organix Animal shaped biscuits contain "unhyrogenated palm oil" Can't work out if that's good or bad tbh.

Promise, will be back later. NQC were you on the trans-fats/fertility thread? If so could you do a link?

Hillary · 29/01/2007 20:47

Heres the advice from Dr Gillian McKeith's You are what you eat........

COLOURINGS

A dangerous class of additives and one of teh easiest to advoid are teh dyes capable of interacting with & damaging your immune system, Speeding up the ageing and even pushing you in the direction of cancer, steer clear of foods which are made from artificial colours. Watch out for lables with any of the following: artificial colour added, the words green, blue or yellow followed by a number, colour added with no explanation, such as tartrazine(E102), Quinoline yellow(E150), Sunset yellow(E110), Beetroot red(E162), Caramel(E150) or FD and C red no 3.

Some foods contain natural colours obtained from plants and these are safe. The most common is annatto, from teh reddish seed of a tropical tree, annatto is often added to cheese to make in more orange or butter to make it more yellow. Red pigmants obtained from beets, green from chlorella and carotene from carrots are also okay.

PRESERVATIVES

The main function of preservatives is to extend a foods shelf life. Citric acid and ascorbic acid (vitamin C, ascorbates, E300-4) are natural antixidants added to a number of foods and they are safe, but synthetic additives such as BHA and BHT(E320-21) may not be. They may promote the carcinogenic changes in cells caused by other substnces.

Alum, an aluminium compound is used in brands of many pickles to increase crispiness and is also found in some antacids and baking powder. Aluminium hs no place in human nutrition and you should avoid ingesting it. Nitrates(Nitrates, E249-52) are a type of preservative often added to processed meats, such as hotdogs, bacon and ham. They can create highly carcinogenic substances called nitrosamines in the body. It is best to avoid any product containing sodium nitrate or other nitrates. Monosodium glutomae (MSG or 621) - a natural product used in East Asian cooking - is added to many manufactured foods as a flavour enhancer. It is an unnecessary source of additional sodium in the diet and can cause allergic reactions. Omit MSG from recipes, dont buy products containing it and when eating chinease request that food is made without it. Other flavour enhancers and preservatives to avoid include monopotassium glutamate(622) and sodium osinate(631) and benzoic acid and binzoates (E210-9) found in soft drinks, beer and salad creams.

EMULSIFIERS, STABILIZERS AND THICKENERS

These are often found in sauces, soups, breads, biscuits, cakes, desserts, ice cream, margarine and other spreads, jams, chocolate and milk shakes. More & more manufacturers are cleaning up their products as people get more concerned about toxins in their food and you will increasingly see 'no artificial sweetners' or 'no artificial ingredients'. This is helpful, but watch out for hidden fats, salts & sugars & alternative names for foods that arnt very good for you when eaten in excess. Sugar, for example has lots of different names and they include: Sucrose, fructose, deztrose, corn syrup, maltodextrin, golden syrup and so on. Soudium is just another name for salt. Animal fatis saturated fat and transfatty acid is another name for hydrogenated fat. mannitol, sorbitol, xylitol, saccharine and aspartame are alternative names for potentially carcinogenic artificial sweetners. Some chemicals are harmless for instance ammonium bicarbonate, malic acid, fumaric acid, lactic acid, lecichin, xanathan, guar gums, calcium chloride, monocalcium phosphate and monopotassium phosphate. But how cah you tell when there are a long list of long chemical names that look unfamiliar to you? If thats teh case a good genural rule is simply to avoid products whose chemical ingredients outnumber teh familiar ones.

Please excuse spelling - my typing skills are not what they used to be

Rhubarb · 29/01/2007 20:48

Everything.

Nothing is safe!

NotQuiteCockney · 30/01/2007 07:19

Lunavix: I'm not a huge fan of stabilisers and emulsifiers, they don't meet my criteria of "things I recognise as food".

Olive oil is a reasonably good fat.

I don't think there's anything wrong with healthy living creme fraiche and cottage cheese. Obviously look at the ingredients, though. Are you anti-skimmed-milk because you're talking about feeding them to small kids? Or why?

To drink, water is good, or herbal teas. Fruit and veg are obviously good. Oatcakes are good, so are nuts and seeds (not roasted, not salted).

The fat-free yogurt is for you? Or for your kids? I normally mix pre-made yogurt with plain yogurt, for me and for the kids, to reduce the sugar content. I don't think Rachels and Yeo Valley have any scary ingredients, but they do have sugar.

I don't really buy into the "aspartame is evil" thing. I mean, I don't actually use the stuff, as I don't like the taste, and it doesn't meet my "is it food?" criteria. But the science I've seen says it's not actually dangerous.

I wasn't on the fertility thread, if I find it I'll link to it.

Unhydrogenated palm oil is just palm oil, which is fine. It's not a great fat, but it's not trans-fat. (They're specifying that it's unhydrogenated, because manufacturers aren't required, in this country, to state if vegetable oil is hydrogenated, iyswim.)

Gillian McKeith is an alarming charlatan, but as usual, she mostly talks sense, in the bit Hillary quotes. That being said, E150 is caramel, which is cooked sugar - hardly the cancer-causing terror it sounds like.

kjaysmum · 30/01/2007 08:29

Hi Lunavix, I use a book called the Chemical Maze by Bill Statham can be bought on line here I never go shopping without it!!

Sugarmagnolia · 30/01/2007 11:11

I usually don't bother with these threads - although I do aim for a healthy diet and try to teach the kids about healthy eating I'm generally one of the "all things in moderation" folks. However, I do have two things I'd like to add.

  1. Gillian McKeith is NOT a doctor. I'm not saying she never gets it right but I really wouldn't trust her to be my food guru. Can't stand the woman and I think she's basically a salesman.
  1. Sweeteners - although I don't always buy organic and I have never once asked a chinese resteraunt to leave out the MSG, I have always avoided sweeteners like the plague!!! First of all I can't stand the taste of them - in drinks, yoghurts whatever, ugh. Second of all, I'd much rather my kids ate sugar, in moderation, than artificial sweeteners. I rarely buy them lollipops and things but when I do I actively seek out the ones with real sugar in them. Yesterday, for the first time, I broke my own rule and bought DD a bag of sugar-free sweets to try and soothe a bad cough. I figured if she was going to be eating them throughout the day that much sugar wasn't a good idea. They had Sweet & Low in them. They were very small and she had about 6 in the space of 4 or 5 hours. She then had the most horrible, explosive diarrhoea! So it's back to good old sugar for us.
Hillary · 30/01/2007 18:31

Sugarmagnolia I was quoting from her book which states DR Gillian McKeith (PhD) Holistic Nutritionist, you may not like her but I think she knows what she's talking about.

bundle · 30/01/2007 18:33

hillary you should try and take a look at a lovely article on - ahem - dr gillian (either in the observer or the guardian) which talked about her - ahem ahem - qualifications

Sugarmagnolia · 31/01/2007 13:24

From Wikipedia:

"McKeith received a Master's degree and PhD via a distance learning programme from the American Holistic College of Nutrition, Alabama ? now the Clayton College of Natural Health. Clayton College states that it is "accredited by the American Association of Drugless Practitioners and the American Naturopathic Medical Accreditation Board".[5], but this accreditation is not recognised by the United States Secretary of Education.[6]

She originally claimed, both on her website and in her book Dr Gillian McKeith's Living Food for Health, to have a PhD from the American College of Nutrition ? by implication, the Florida-based institution of that name, rather than the unaccredited Clayton College of Natural Health. This claim has since been withdrawn. "

She does have a genuine degree from the University of Edinburgh but it's an undergraduate degree in language and business studies! The Holistic Nutrition degrees were obtained as paid, correspondence courses from a non-accredited institution requiring no scientific background.

She's also been done by the MHRA for selling unlicensed medicinal products that have no proof of safety, quality or efficacy.

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