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Is margarine a (nasty, evil) hydrogenated fat?

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sassy · 25/07/2006 13:18

If I am baking I use marge (stork, usually) and congratulate myself for saving £££ and sparing my kids hydrogenated fats in shop biccies, cakes etc.

But it struck me today, marge may well be the very thing I am trying to avoid.

Anyone know?

OP posts:
joelallie · 26/07/2006 13:29

Yes

southeastastra · 26/07/2006 13:34

i always though you had to use marg to make pastry, the special marg though in a gold packet (i can't remember what it's called)

CarolinaMoose · 26/07/2006 13:38

Stork?

Piffle · 26/07/2006 13:39

I make pastry and have always used butter!
I am sorry but I am a one woman crusader against marge

MrsBadger · 26/07/2006 13:42

aha that's Stork as well, but the hard type - the spreadable stuff is apparently called 'Stork SB'

def need Hard Marg, butter or lard (gak) for pastry.

NotAnOtter · 26/07/2006 18:21

margarine is a foul substance - butter only in Otter house

Blu · 26/07/2006 18:24

Sassy - the Devil Butter tastes better than the deep blue sea marge, so you stand a better chance of dying happy!

Blu · 26/07/2006 18:25

And surely it's more ecological, as less processed?

FrannyandZooey · 26/07/2006 18:30

This has a fairly short ingredient list. But it tastes totally rank on toast, so it's butter all the way in this household.

NotAnOtter · 26/07/2006 18:30

I dont get this arugument devil/deep blue sea malarky

Surely 100% fat is as bad for ones heart as 100% fat....

Carmenere · 26/07/2006 18:35

Agree with NAO fat is fat except with marg some of the fat(if it is trans) is extra dangerous and it tastes vile so it's a no brainer.

FrannyandZooey · 26/07/2006 18:40

Nope, we need fats. It's saturated and trans (hydrogenated) fats that we need to avoid.

Legacy · 26/07/2006 18:52

No fat is not simply fat... there are lots of different types

Saturated fat is the evil type which raises the LDL (L= Lethal!) cholesterol in the body and can lead to heart disease. Butter is very high in saturated fat compared to other spreads.

As a generally guide, the harder the fat (e.g. butter/ lard) the higher in saturated fats.

Other types of include Polyunsaturated (found e.g. in sunlower oils) and Monounsaturated fats (e.g. in olive oil). These have been shown to have a less detrimental effect on LDL cholesterol levels, and in some cases a POSITIVE impact in raising HDL (H = 'healthy' or 'good') cholesterol in the body.

What muddied the waters historically was that margarine was often produced using a process called 'hydrogenation' which used to create 'trans fats' which actually had a similar negative effect as saturated fats,

However a few years ago most spread manufacturers changed their processes to stop doing this, so you'll find very few of the mainstream (soft) spreads have them any more. Also, many of them lowered the total fat in their products so it is often only 60-70%. By law, butter has to be 80% fat to be called 'butter'.

Like someone said earlier, what you choose depends on what you're after in your diet really. If you eat very little butter and don't use it for cooking etc then you'll probably be fine. If you want to lower your fat intake as part of a diet then steer well clear.
If you have a history of raised cholesterol and heart disease in your family opt for a sunflower spread - especially a lower fat one.

In our house we only use a tiny bit of butter for breadmaking, other than that it's Olive Spread for toast etc and Low Fat Flora for sandwiches for me.

Spagblog · 26/07/2006 18:54

Ingredients lists do not have to clarify that the vegetable oil has been hydrogenised. You may still see ingredients with "vegetable oil" and it's full of trans fats.

Legacy · 26/07/2006 18:58

Spag - you're right, some may not, but most of the big spread manufacturers will list trans fats or hydrogenated fats in their Nutrition Panel.

sugarfree · 26/07/2006 18:59

Marge is the devils work.
Butter all the way in this house.
Yes,both are 'fat' but butter has two ingredients(if it's salted) and marge has a long list most of which I can't pronounce.
I'm making Piffles Crusade a two woman one.

Spagblog · 26/07/2006 19:03

We went back to butter. I realised recently that marj was the devil whilst watching some flora spread on a piece of hot toast... The damn thing would not melt!

Legacy · 26/07/2006 20:16

And have you ever seen the insides of the arteries of someone who is a heavy butter eater?

It's enough to convince me.....

Why is melting such a test? It doesn't perform like butter because it isn't butter, that's the whole point...

Anyway, each to their own, as they say....

pupuce · 26/07/2006 20:29

Loads of butter is bad of course legacy!!!!

Spagblog · 26/07/2006 20:33

melting isn't a test!

LOL

It was just so odd seeing the spread just lying there...Put me right off eating it.

It is the devil as I suspect the devil wouldn't melt in hell, and neither would the flora!

Legacy · 26/07/2006 20:43

Pupuce - unfortunately it's relatively easy to eat 'a lot' (i.e. enough to negatively influence your health) of butter though.

Given that a maximum of 70g of fat is the 'recommended daily amount' of ALL fat in a woman's diet in the UK, it would be relatively easy to clock that up with just daily use of butter e.g.

morning toast
lunch sandwiches
evening on veg/ in cooking
any snacks/ cakes made with it

Butter is the first thing a cardiologist tells a patient to give up if they don't want to die from coronory heart disease......

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