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why not teach kids to cook instead we teach kidsa bad diet of food technology

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zippitippitoes · 23/07/2006 16:00

....... I so much agree with this article

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SueW · 24/07/2006 16:33

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KathyMCMLXXII · 24/07/2006 16:40

Great article & thread.
One thing that seems particularly sad about the loss of cookery as a practical subject is that it seems like yet another area's been lost where practical kids would once have had a chance to shine (quite apart from teaching them vital lifeskills of course....)
Personally I have nothing against the idea of teaching lifeskills in school, as long as it's properly taught and not just woolly nonsense delivered by whoever has the most free periods (as PSHE was in my school).

twocatsonthebed · 24/07/2006 17:40

SueW - your school catering sounds fantastic. But does what they teach in lessons match up with what you and your team are serving up?

SueW · 24/07/2006 18:16

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swedishmum · 24/07/2006 18:37

Dd only did a few weeks in Y7 but made home made pasta, ginger and sultana muffins, white sauce and tomato based pasta sauces and had to make her own choice of a baked pasta dish. She did query why so much salt was supposed to go into the muffins in the 21st century.... It's all been perfectly edible.

zippitippitoes · 24/07/2006 18:41

you can test your knowledge of food technology here

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Rowlers · 24/07/2006 18:46

Mind you, just remembering conversations with food tech staff and what the children bring into achool to cook with sometimes is quite sad.
Our school does try to teach cookery skills and the children do get to cook but a lot have no idea at all, een when given a list of ingredients.
They were cooking lasagne on week - one mum sent her child in with a microwave ready meal.
Children often arrive with cake / biscuit mix instead of flour, sugar, butter etc
They often bring in tinned vegetables.
I get the impression a lot of parents are caught out last minute and send their child in with whatever they have in the cupboard.

zippitippitoes · 24/07/2006 18:49

I had to go and buy pizza bases, cake mix, tinned soup etc because we didn't have any to take!

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Rowlers · 24/07/2006 18:53

Tinned soup? No way.
That's just crapper than crap

zippitippitoes · 24/07/2006 18:55

it's how to make a mushroom sauce!

just looking at past gcse questions

what are the advantages of using ready prepared burger products..give three advantages and a reason for each

no discussion just an assumption that a processed burger will be the best choice!

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Rowlers · 24/07/2006 18:58

Oh I see
I thought you meant a tin of oxtail or something!

KathyMCMLXXII · 24/07/2006 18:58

Jeez, Z, who wrote the syllabus - Bernard Matthews?

SueW · 24/07/2006 19:32

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CheesyFeet · 24/07/2006 20:24

I?ve had a chance to read the article properly now. Whilst I agree with it?s general premise that cooking is becoming a lost art and that it ought to be taught in schools, as someone who works in the food industry I would take issue with some of it. Food Technology has a place in the modern world, just as much as Information Technology or Graphic Design, but it ought to be taught either alongside or as an extension of Domestic Science/Home Economics. This way the art of budgeting and cooking isn?t lost, but pupils who want a career in the food industry would benefit from the subject matter in taught in Food Technology. This is of particular relevance in the area where I live where there is an awful lot of food production, both of the convenience food type and the supply of fruit and veg.

The legislation that covers ?twizzleresque? foods (I love that word, twizzleresque!) also covers the packing of fruit and veg, the bagging of salad etc. Learning how to do a process flow and hazard analysis is relevant to all types of food. If you wanted to weave lentils, for instance, you would have to do the same paperwork and comply to the same legislation as if you were making plastic TV dinners. The major supermarkets in particular insist on compliance.

On the other side, I agree that there seems to be too much emphasis on processed foods, and I do think that this is wrong. There are countless threads here on Mumsnet bewailing the fact that people are uneducated and will feed their kids all kinds of crap, so surely subjects such as Food Technology should be teaching about healthy alternatives as well as how things are done at the moment. Perhaps a good project could be to take a currently manufactured nasty and make a viable, profitable, truly healthy alternative.

Perhaps GSCE is a little early to be getting into the finer detail but I would certainly say that there is a need for an A Level. I also think that Domestic Science/Home Ec should be taught to pre-GCSE anyway, so that all 14 year olds have a good basis in food knowledge regardless of the subjects they choose to study later on.

IMHO the author has reacted badly to parts of the subject because she doesn?t understand the terminology involved. There are no end of subjects that I don?t understand, but I wouldn?t rant about them in this way! We could also say that we brainwash our children in all kinds of subjects, we teach them that certain literature is better than others and to accept that our version of history is true (how will the Iraq war be taught in 100 years time I wonder?). If we teach our children to think for themselves, answering questions such as, ?Explain the advantages of irradiating food? could involve explaining disadvantages as well. (A slight aside, very little food is irradiated these days as most supermarkets will not accept it). I really can?t understand her objection to the other exam questions, she may not be able to answer them but that does not mean that they are pointless? A person who could answer them would have the pick of numerous good job opportunities in the food industry (either plastic or healthy organic food) in the same way that someone who could answer detailed questions on programming languages would be in line for a good job in IT.

I didn?t mean to waffle on for as long as this but hopefully the argument is a bit more balanced now.

moondog · 24/07/2006 20:31

Cheesy,very intersting and informative to hear the other side of the argument....

WideWebWitch · 24/07/2006 20:41

I got 11 out of 11 on food product development.

Thanks for that cheesy, interesting, I take your points. I suppose I still wish we respected cooked from scratch proper food and taught our children how to make it, how to know when things are ripe, how to eat seasonally, all that stuff.

Katymac · 24/07/2006 21:27

I got 2 wrng on 2 sections, 1 wrong on one section & 1 all right

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cat64 · 24/07/2006 21:42

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FanjoandZooey · 29/07/2006 15:39

Blueshoes, you probably won't see this but I can't find your email address, and just wanted you to know I have posted the book today, hope it arrives safely

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