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Diet affects mental health

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speedymama · 16/01/2006 13:01

Saw this . Whilst I don't doubt that mental health issues are far more complex than just diet alone, I personally believe that diet must play some factor.

As a whole, I believe that too many people are nutritionally starving because they are ingesting too many foods that do not provide their nutritional needs. I always hear people say that process foods are cheaper than fresh fruit and veg but from my personal experience, I know that is not true.

Time is a factor that is used as an excuse for not eating freshly prepared food but surely if you are organised, you can prepare food in advance and heat it up when required. For example, last evening, I made a chicken curry and a chicken casserole for dinner tonight and tomorrow. I have twin boys (age 22 months), work 3 days a week and I always cook and freeze meals so that I don't have to worry about doing it on the days I am working. Please do not think that I am being smug because I'm not. I just don't understand why one has to have a really poor diet these days,particularly with all the information that is around.

What do you think?

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notasheep · 16/01/2006 13:25

Yes-saw it on the news this morning,but isnt it obvious that diet effects our mental health.

I work for Social Services part time and try to educate my clients to eating well and saving money! When they just want to go to the chippy.

I am doing a massive Shepherds Pie at the minute (meat from our local butcher) and its prob cost me not much!

And as we know an apple or banana is cheaper than a bag of crisps or bar of chocolate.

I am with you speedymama!

notasheep · 16/01/2006 13:26

But fat is addictive!

MrsBigD · 16/01/2006 13:30

Saw it this morning as well. I'm sure that certain things affect mental health etc. just seeing my 2 lo's after 'sugar rush' is clearly an indication!

Lack of certain vitamins, minerals, enzymes etc. will have an effect I'm sure.

And on a lighter note... if I don't get chocolate once a month 'NOW' my dh would attest to me being a mental case (no disrespect intedend here!)

VeniVidiVickiQV · 16/01/2006 13:30

Funny that the brain is made mostly of fatty substances though.

speedymama · 16/01/2006 13:32

For lunch today I had a ham salad, homemade vegetable soup,1 apple, 1 pear, 1 banana, 1 nectarine, 1 plum and 1 tangerine. As you can see, I'm determined that I have my 5 portions of fruit and veg per day. DH is the same but he will only have 3 pieces of fruit in one sitting.

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jangly · 16/01/2006 13:33

Its oily fish we need to eat though, Speedymama. Did you read the bit in the article where it says chickens have increased in fat from 2% to 22% because they grow them faster, and the fat in them is too high in omega 6 and low in omega 3. Maybe chicken is not the healthy food we think it is!

VeniVidiVickiQV · 16/01/2006 13:39

Agree jangly - chicken is reared differently now but they still use the same basic information on average fat content etc as they did 30 years ago.

speedymama · 16/01/2006 13:42

Actually Jangly,I think what is required is a balanced diet that includes all the main food groups. We (including the twins)had baked salmon on a bed of spinach and carrots yesterday and it was delicious

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jangly · 16/01/2006 13:54

Sounds lovely!

Enid · 16/01/2006 13:56

is cod good or not very oily?

mummytosteven · 16/01/2006 13:56

don't think cod would do - think it's fish like salmon, sardines etc.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 16/01/2006 13:57

mackerel sardines and the like

jangly · 16/01/2006 14:03

No, cod's not oily. Shame, as that and haddock are just about the only ones I like! Apparently tinned fish doesn't count, either as the omega oils are lost in canning! You have to do it all from scratch.

speedymama · 16/01/2006 14:13

Oh bother! I was giving the DTs sardines from the tin and mixing it with veg and pasta thinking that I was supplementing their intake of omega oils! Thanks for the info Jangly, I will stick to fresh fish in future

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PeachyClair · 16/01/2006 14:16

As a lot of you will now, my Dh battled with depression for years and has at least been free of it (in the full on suicidal sense he was anyway) since 2004. I also grew up with a severely depressed Mother.

I think that there are lots of factors to depression.

Tiredness, especially in this day and age, in a huge contributor imo. getting Dh's sleep patterns sorted (a vicious circle with depression as that itself causes sleep disorders) was a huge contributor to his recovery, as was time off work and medication.
A break from his family wa also important, as they do affect his wellbeing: thinking about it his last episode (a mild one) was a year ago exactly: when his dad ran off with another woman.

Do I think diet is a factor? Oh definitely. Dh would go for ages eating a pot noodle every day and 2-3 bags of crisps a day. Like many men, healthy eating just menat not getting fat to him (he's 5'10" and was 9.5 stone- he's gained a stone now).

I made him look closely at his diet, it's not perfect now but he takes an apple or banana to work, drinks loads of water (it used to be coffee 12 X a day, linked to his night work) and cooks food in thhe steamer with loads of veg. yes he still does the junk, but nothing like before.

I think if you're vulnerable for whatever reason, then ill health is a risk factor, and a poor diet is going to contribute to that. I DO NOT think it is a substitute for medication when needed- I had to sit through someone slating depressives who took medication rather than deal with themsleves the other day. Yes OK there may be a few, but after DH's experience, and the friend I was with lost her son and brother to suicide- well, medication or death? Hmmmm.

I really think that depression is not a thing caused by any one thing, but a cumulation. Sleep, diet, lifestyle, self esteem, life events- they all have their part to play, and research that identifies that (albeit in this case cse studies I believe? may be wrong) has to be welcomed. Especially given the diets we used to feed our Psychi patients when I was nursing.

And about the people on low incomes- so right, sadly. I sat with a Mother (I was on placement with a HV) with PND who claimed she couldn't leave the house because she was too fat. She was big yes, not massive. I talked her through the whole healthy diet thing- explaining she could grill her bacon, eat porridge, it was as much as anything a case of looking at how you cook as eating different food- she just looked at me and said 'are you trying to deny me my only pleazsure then?'.

And at homeStart we used to offer the kids healthy foods at suport group. Well, we DID- first few months I was there- then I got sick of the Mums saying 'nah he won't eat that' and pushing it away (usually whilst Junior was grabbing at it hungrily). the others and I all gave up in the end, we just did the biscyuits and squash thing. We knew some kids didn't get fed anything else until tea time (group was 9.30, the kids would come then get chips and curry sauce at dinner).

I say, give any rises in cild benefit in the form of fruit and veg vouchers. Yes, some parents will sell them for drug money but I think it wpuld help a lot. Five pounds extra week in fruit and veg tokens for everyone on income support from tomorrow please Tony- 99.9% of the Mums I know will be glad of them and use them appropriately.

Sorry, this subject is a soapbox of mine!! I apologise.

Piffle · 16/01/2006 14:16

Thats why I'm trying to train as a dietitian
I am really particular about food and what my kids eat, and go to great lengths to make sure they and we all eat well, fresh healthy stuff...
But again some things in moderation are fien too.
It's all about balance
And chocolate esp high cocoa solids actually has many health benefits

PeachyClair · 16/01/2006 14:18

Just looked up the fish, apaprently it's tuna that has no omega after canning, pilchards etc are still good sources. HTH (will post link I used in a sec)

PeachyClair · 16/01/2006 14:19

here

jangly · 16/01/2006 14:22

Yes! It is only tuna. Canned sardines are good speedymama. here

jangly · 16/01/2006 14:23

Pipped to the post!

alittlebitshy · 16/01/2006 14:26

It is verey true that the fatty food are v addictive....

I have always cooked healthy meals, and have improved them over the last year or so.... however my downfall is snacking, esp in the evenings, and that means on the fatty foodds such as crisps, biccies and chocolate. Very recently I have decided to cut this, esp as I am a bit of a pot caling kettle black when i won't let dd eat things like that... I can see they're not good (although yes, i do know moderation is fine) but i still pump them inot my body. Having made the decision I am activelt not eating them, at the moment I know that "just the one" choc situation will make me crave it more becase it IS very addictive, as i am noticing... Not having them is bizarrely making me want them less...

I know i'm waffling a bit...sorry, it has helped me sort it out in my mind a bit while throwing it down in front of you all.

notasheep · 16/01/2006 14:29

Everything in moderation!

speedymama · 16/01/2006 14:30

Thanks for that Peachy. I'm trying really hard to provide my boys with a healthy and balanced diet so I value any additional information.

Thanks for sharing your persoanl story and I hope things are improving for your DH.

When I first had the DTs, I attended the post-natal group at the health clinic and was amazed at the amount of free information on healthy eating that was provided. That's why I don't understand why some mothers from that group now give their toddlers such a poor diet. Social influences obviously play a part.

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jangly · 16/01/2006 14:32

Ryvita makes a good evening substitute for crisps - hardly any fat, low calorie, and a nice savury taste.

PeachyClair · 16/01/2006 14:32

Cutting out the snacking (and bread but that's a health issue for me} has contributed to my losing enought weight to go from 18-20 trousers to 12-14. So there's deffo something in that.

The WW no count is very good for eating habits i think (as opposed to the original, which I think tempts some poeple to live on a diet of choccy and cut the rest!). You can eat as much halthy low fat food as you want (there's a specific ist but the brain can suss it), but only at three meals a day and you stop when full. You can snack on fruit, amnd you get a limited treat allocation, Pretty much the model for a healthy diet IMO.

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