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Becoming vegetarian, what do I need to do to make sure I don't kill us all?

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Paintinmyhair · 13/04/2011 14:27

Very ignorant title, sorry! I have always been a meat eater, but all of a sudden I cannot bear the taste, feeling or thought of having meat in my mouth, it is making me feel ill. Dd is going through a "cannot bear to think of animal slaughter" phase anyway, and dp used to have the same problem I am describing, so we have decided to go veggie.

How do I make sure we get enough protein etc? All our food has always been very meat heavy. I also adore cooking, so would anyone be able to point me in the direction of good veggie foodies websites?

Thank you.

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whimsicalname · 13/04/2011 15:48

Well done firstly! And you're probably not going to kill anyone. Deep breaths.

Just make sure you have a good balanced diet. Protein comes from beans and pulses (lentils, chick peas, kidney beans, baked beans etc), meat substitutes (quorn, tofu, tvp etc) dairy products like cheese and eggs, not just meat.

Master a few stand bys, browse your own recipe books and you'll be laughing.

Although we're not actually veggie, I was for years, and prefer to save meat for special occasions. A brilliant stand by is TVP mince. It's cheap as chips. I make it by frying up onions, celery, carrots, garlic (always) peppers, mushrooms, courgettes etc if have and then blitzing to mince consistency. Bung in some TVP (which expands as you add liquid) add a tin of toms and a stock cube. boil for a bit. I freeze it like that, then turn into spag bol sauce with spoon full of pesto, shepherds pie with tin of baked beans and squirt of HP or chilli with tin of kidney beans and a bit of spice.

Also, even as a veggie, I tended to buy mainstream cookbooks, just ones with lots of non meat recipes. The Leon ones are quite good for that, River Cafe (esp the green one) even Nigella has quite a lot of good meat free recipes. From the other extreme, Refresh is a vegan (but don't be put off) book which makes tofu yummy, and has some lovely lovely things.

Lots of 'ethnic' foods are very veggie friendly - Indian curries, Chinese stir fries, falafels etc. Madhur Jaffrey has a very comprehensive but boring to look at book which covers most of Asia.

And in an emergency, there's always pizza and chips.

NoHunIntended · 13/04/2011 15:51

There is protein in every plant cell. It is actually quite hard to be protein-deficient in the developed world.

Eat a wide variety of fruit, vegetables, nuts, pulses - everything non meaty!

Here is a list of where to get all your nutrients:

Protein
Function - vital for growth, development and repair of body tissues. Helps enzymes and hormones to function.
Rich sources - pulses (peas, beans, lentils), soya (e.g. tofu, soya milk, soya products), wholegrains (e.g. rice), cereals, seeds and seed paste (e.g. tahini), beansprouts.
Note: All plants contain protein. As such, it is virtually impossible to eat a plant-based diet and be deficient in protein.

Fats/Oils
Function - essential to good brain, eye and nerve health and are part of our cell membranes. They also repair tissue, manufacture some hormones and carry some vitamins. We need a little fat (essential fats, also called omega-3 and omega-6).
Rich sources - the best source of omega-3 is flaxseed/linseed oil; other good sources of essential fats are pumpkin seeds, walnuts, ground flaxseeds, hemp seeds/ hempseed oil, tofu and soya products, avocado, olive oil, other nuts and seeds such as almonds, Brazil nuts, sunflower and sesame seeds.

Note: Fats can either be saturated or unsaturated (which includes mono-unsaturated and polyunsaturated).
A rough guide is that saturated fats are normally solid at room temperature and they include animal fats such as lard and butter.
Unsaturated fats are normally liquid at room temperature, such as sunflower or olive oil. There are few vegetable fats that contain saturated fat ? coconut oil and palm oil are the most common ones.

The best fat for cooking is virgin olive oil which although not an essential fat, is still beneficial to our health.

Saturated fats (mainly from animal products and processed foods) are not needed in the diet and we are better off without them.
Cholesterol is a fat-like substance called a sterol. It is found in all animal foods but is completely absent from all plant foods. The body can make all the cholesterol it requires so we do not need to (and should not) include it in our diet.

Carbohydrates
Function - most important source of energy.
Most carbohydrates are provided by plant foods.
Rich sources - wholegrains (oats, bread, rice, pasta, rye); potatoes; beans; peas and lentils.
Note: There are three types of carbohydrates:

  • ?fast releasing?
  • ?slow releasing?
  • dietary fibre
?Fast releasing? carbohydrates (simple sugars) are found in fruit, sweets, syrups and many processed foods. Much of it is refined sugar ? the kind you sprinkle on your cereal ? and is best avoided, as it provides energy but no fibre, vitamins or minerals.

?Slow releasing? or complex carbohydrates (starches) are found in wholegrains (eg brown bread, brown rice, pasta, oats, barley, rye etc), some root vegetables such as potatoes, and most fresh fruit. The World Health Organisation (WHO) recommends that 55-75 per cent of our diet (as energy) should come from slow releasing carbohydrates, as they are vital to good health. Typical meat eaters don?t get enough complex carbohydrates while vegans tend to get plenty.

Dietary fibre is the indigestible part of vegetable foods (whole fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, cereals and beans). Despite its indigestible nature, fibre is essential for the digestive system to work properly. It acts like a broom in the intestines, sweeping away toxins, lowering ?bad? cholesterol and helping prevent diseases such as colon cancer.

Eating red meat frequently can increase your chances of colon cancer by 20-40 per cent. While a vegan diet high in plant foods contains plenty of fibre, meat contains none.

Carbohydrate-rich foods should be consumed in as unrefined form as possible; for example, brown rice, wholegrain pastas (eg wholegrain spaghetti instead of white) and brown breads, whole beans ? as they are more health enhancing, containing more fibre and vitamins.

Fibre
Function - keeps bowels healthy and regular, slows sugar and fat absorption and reduces cholesterol.
Rich sources - fruit and vegetables, wholegrains (pasta, rice, oats, bread), nuts, beans, peas, lentils.

Vitamin A
Function - antioxidant. Vision, bone and teeth development, growth and tissue repair.
Rich sources - carrots, sweet potatoes, red and yellow peppers, tomatoes, spinach, green leafy vegetables, watercress, mangoes, dried apricots.

B Group Vitamins
B1 Thiamnin - B2 Riboflavin - B3 Niacin - B5 Pantothenic Acid - B6 Pyridoxine - Biotin - Folic Acid
Function - absorption of energy, protein and fats, cell growth amd nerve function.
Rich Sources - Brazil nuts, hazelnuts, almonds, green leafy vegetables, brewers yeast, wholegrains, beansprouts, broad beans, bananas, avocados, mushrooms, wheatgerm, currants, soya mock meats, yeast extract, peanuts, peas.
Note: Folic acid is important in preventing defects in unborn babies. It is found widely in the vegan diet.

Vitamin B12
A daily source of this vital vitamin is required ? easily available from foods fortified with it.
Function - nerve formation and cell production.
Source - B12-fortified foods, such as breakfast cereals, margarines, nutritional yeast (e.g. Marmite), soya-based mock meat products and soya milk. Note: Vitamin B12 from fortified foods is better absorbed than the B12 from meat, poultry and fish.

Vitamin C
Function - antioxidant. Immunity, wound healing, formation of collagen in skin, tendons and bones.
Rich sources - oranges, grapefruit, broccoli, spinach, cabbage, green peppers, parsley, potatoes, peas, blackcurrants, strawberries, and many fresh fruit and green vegetables.
Note: antioxidants protect against disease. Your body can't store vitamin C so you need to eat it every day. Vitamin C helps the body absorb iron.

Vitamin D
Function - helps calcium absorption for bones and teeth.
Rich Sources - sunlight on skin. Fortified cereals and soya milk, animal-free margarine.
Note: Ample vitamin D is obtained during the summer months from the sun. In winter, take extra care to ensure your vitamin D intake. Vitamin D2 is animal-free.

Vitamin E
Function - antioxidant. Enables blood to clot.
Rich Sources - vegetable oils, wheatgerm, wholegrains, tomatoes, nuts, sunflowers and other seeds, avocados, asparagus, spinach, apples, carrots,. celery.
Note: Antioxidants protect against disease by destroying free radicals which cause damage to body cells.

Vitamin K
Function - releases energy from cells. Important for skin health.
Rich Sources - broccoli, lettuce, spinach, cabbage, asparagus, seaweeds, molasses, peas, green tea.

Calcium
Function - important for healthy bones and teeth and for the working of muscles. It is virtually absent from meat products.
Excessive amounts of animal protein (from meat, dairy, fish and eggs) in the diet can actually LEACH calcium from the bones, weakening the skeleton and leading to osteoporosis. Dairy milk also contains saturated fat. Therefore it is much healthier to obtain calcium from plant sources.
Rich sources - dark green leafy vegetables such as broccoli, kale, watercress and cabbage; pulses (tofu, beans); dried fruits; tahini (sesame seed butter used to make houmous) and nuts and seeds (particularly almonds, Brazil nuts and sesame seeds); swede. Many soya milks and tofu are fortified with calcium.

Iron
Function - needed for healthy red blood cells to transport oxygen to all parts of the body.
Iron deficiency can be significant, especially in women of childbearing age (who lose iron each month in the menstrual flow).
Rich sources - baked beans, wholegrain bread, molasses/black treacle, leafy green vegetables - broccoli, spinach, cabbage; dried fruit (particularly apricots, prunes, dates and figs), cocoa (yippee!), pulses (all types of beans, peas, lentils) and pumpkin seeds.
Note: Vitamin C increases the absorption of iron by a factor of four ? another reason why fresh vegetables and fruits are so important in the diet, so consume iron-rich foods at the same time as foods and/or drinks high in Vitamin C.

Iodine
Function - metabolism and thyroid function.
Rich Sources - green leafy vegetables, asparagus, sea vegetables (e.g. kelp).

Magnesium
Function - skeletal formation, metabolism, production of DNA and muscle and nerve function.
Rich Sources - green leafy vegetables, nuts (e.g. cashew, almonds), avocados, wholegrains, bananas, apricots, apples, prunes.

Phosphorous Potassium
Function - bone and teeth development, energy release, nerve and muscle function.
Rich Sources - Brazil nuts, wholegrains, wheatgerm, chick peas, pumpkin seeds, potatoes, yeast extract, oats, strawberries, bananas, brewers yeast, tomatoes, carrots, asparagus, rice (and other cereals).

Zinc
Function - involved in metabolism, wound healing and immunity.
Rich Sources - lentils and other pulses, tofu, wholegrains (e.g. rice, bread, etc), green leafy vegetables, nuts and seeds (especially pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds), brewers yeast.

Others - Selenium, Cobalt, Copper, Manganese, Molybdenum
Function - dental, skeleton and skin health, hair and red blood cell growth and metabolism.
Rich sources - spinach, broccoli, peas, beans, lentils, brewers yeast, almonds, bananas, potatoes, wholegrains, legumes, beans, seaweeds.
Note: selenium is an antioxidant and helps stop diseases. Molybdenum fights nitrosamines, which are associated with cancer. A deficiency has been linked to impotence. Vegan diets are high in selenium and molybdenum.

NoHunIntended · 13/04/2011 15:53

And well done on making the switch.

bessie26 · 13/04/2011 21:28

Basically eat a wide range of foods & you'll get everything you need!

The vegetarian society will have loads of info & recipes (they are on fb too where you can ask questions) For more food ideas have a look at my recipes or just Google for "vegetarian recipes"

Good luck & enjoy!!

Chil1234 · 14/04/2011 05:22

Best tip is to get plenty of variety and also, short term, to take a multivitamin supplement with iron and B12 until you're more au fait with recipes and choices that will give you a real balance. Make sure you eat plenty in total since vegetarian food tends to be bulkier but lower calorie than meat-based meals and some converters can find they feel tired purely because they're taking in less energy than they were before. For that reason pay particular attention to DD's diet contents. Children use up stacks of energy so you have to include plenty of energy-dense foods... avocados, nuts, seeds, oils... and not let them fill up on too much energy-free fibre.

Paintinmyhair · 14/04/2011 07:47

Nohun, you have astounded me!!! You guys are amazing.

Whimsical, you have made me feel like this could be easier than I thought. I had my first foray into Tofu yesterday and it was not good! Chil, thank you for pointing out dd's intake. I am going to feel so much better feeding her good food! Not that I didn't before, but because I'm thinking about our meals hopefully they will be cooked more often than not as opposed to a baked potato (which has been her staple since deciding she didn't like cheese on toast any more).

And bessie, I want to print that out and keep it!!! You organised lady!!

I am really geared up for this now!! And if I can become a vegetarian anyone can! I am glad it was my body that made the decision for me though, as although ethically I am very glad I am doing this, I don't need to feel too guilty if I slip up, forget, and eat a handful of Jelly Babies in the office before coming to my senses in the first few weeks (although I am planning on veto-ing animal slaughter products from the start). Veganism, although admirable, is a step too far for me, but I am very very very happy with my decision and am so glad I don't have to give up cheese!!! If it had been a meat product I would have struggled so badly!

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SpringFollows · 14/04/2011 08:50

Paint well done! Come over and peruse the Vegan and vegan friendly thread too- some recipes and meal ideas in there.

When I first ate tofu I thought you cut it and ate it like cheese. [boak]. Yuck. But I love it stir fried now. And one of the vegan blogs i like cut up firm tofu, coated them in panko and fried them into a vegan schnitzel that they had with various sauces. That sounds REALLY good and i am keen to try it.

There are heaps of vegetarian and vegan food blogs out there. Two I really like are;

travelingvegan.blogspot.com/ (American living in Australia)

vivelevegan.blogspot.com/ American blog- Dreena writes cookbooks but also cooks for her three children. Good family recipes.

NoHunIntended · 14/04/2011 09:32

No worries. Enjoy. I found I became more adventurous a cook when I went vegetarian, and even more so when I went vegan. Don't rule veganism out - I used to like cheese too, but I truly don't miss it at all, and the reasons for dismissing cheese are based on health AND ethical reasons (animal slaughter and suffering involved), but one step at a time, enjoy vegetarianism. Veganism truly isn't THAT much of a step!

Paintinmyhair · 14/04/2011 10:17

My biggest veganism fear is that people won't want to eat with me, as they will think that the food I cook would be gross (which it won't!!!) or they will freak out over what they would need to cook. Most of my friends already stress having a veggie over for dinner! And I'm worried that we will struggle to find places to eat if we are travelling somewhere and need lunch (we do a regular ooop north trip each month). I know I could bring pre-packed stuff, but it is feeling like a HUGE step. Saying that though, I know a fruitarian, and they do v well!

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NoHunIntended · 14/04/2011 10:54

I haven't had that experience at all, not even slightly. Not that I've noticed, anyway!!! :)

We regularly travel ooop north too, and I often pack a lunch, but it's really becoming easier finding stuff en route anyway. Starbucks do a vegan sandwich/wrap, as do Boots, and lots of other places, I am sure. Most coffee places do soya milk. And the more people become vegan, the more supply will match demand.

CakeandRoses · 23/04/2011 23:31

I don't know if i'm just lucky in knowing some v chilled people but my friends regularly cook for me, some go to amazing extents (e.g. full vegan brunch with pancakes etc or vegan cupcakes Smile) or others rustle up simple but tasty fare such as roast veggies, falafels and humous.

i'm never short of visitors here for meals either. 'Despite' being vegan, people regularly refer to me as a good cook and seem very happy to accept an invitation to dinner. I'm also a kick-ass baker - rare for me not to have some type of vegan cake in the tin and that is NEVER turned down!

CakeandRoses · 23/04/2011 23:33

oh and we travel northwards quite often too (dh from yorks) and we always find something to eat en route tho i pack extras/snacks too

vj32 · 29/04/2011 16:01

I think you need to decide how far you are going to go. Eg.just cut out meat and fish or no gelatine/rennet and are you going to get vegan shoes and bags because of the leather. I started off as a teenager just cutting out meat and fish and have got more strict as I got older.

Also, something to think about is that although most places in Britain are ok about vegetarians now (although you still get really quizzical looks asking if there is animal gelatine in mousses and cheesecakes - lots of people don't know there are pig/beef products in their deserts) other countries aren't. I am not going back to France again as they just do not 'get' vegetarianism and it was too stressful trying to find something to eat. Might be OK self catered but it seems just a cultural thing they don't understand.

pippop1 · 01/05/2011 00:25

I so agree about France. It's so difficult there. Italy is pretty good though. My DS1 went to India last year and loved that it was so easy to get veggie food. He couldn't believe it. DS2 on the other hand (who eats anything) has just come back from Hangzhou in China and said that there was literally nothing for vegetarians. In restuarants even the vegetable dishes seemed to have random bits of meat in them.

I'll always remember my DS1 coming back from a party and telling me about the pink cheese slices that they had there but he only had the yellow ones. I think they were ham.

willali · 02/05/2011 13:25

we are now 5 day a week veggies (for general health reasons) and I have found gettimg a veg box eaxh week forces us into variety. There are q few good veg cooking magazines which might help with recipes and inspiration and I swear by Quorn in various forms (excpet the "chicken" poieces which i loathe) to make spag bol, chilli etc which tastes no different to "normal"

GreenToes · 02/05/2011 17:11

Do you have a slow cooker? They are fab for doing lentil and bean dishes as they absorb much more flavour than if you just do them on the hob for 20 minutes. I'm at university now and really miss my mum's slow cooker.

I've been a vegetarian all my life and don't really bother with Quorn/tofu etc. because I don't really feel the need for it and it's pretty expensive. I do eat vegetarian sausages and can recommend Linda McCartney, Cauldron and also Tesco meat-free ranges :)

blindmelon · 05/05/2011 10:42

I'm a vegetarian and though I don't mind the kids eating free range meat, we mostly eat veggie as I do the cooking! My absolute favourite cookbook is Delia's Vegetarian Collection - lots of great family meals in there.

Some favourite meals in this house are:

Spinach and ricotta canneloni
Butternut squash risotto
Veggie stir fry (sometimes I add quorn pieces to bulk it up)
Pasta bake
Roasted veg and halloumi cheese with couscous
Butterbean and vegetable stew
3 bean chilli (make it without the hot spices for kids, but keep in all the spices that add a nice flavour, like cumin)
Macaroni cheese (I always add in peas and sweetcorn to make it more nutritious)
Courgette fritata
Egg fried rice with vegetables in
Vegetable lasagne
Lentil shepherds pie

I oflten use the bbc good food website too for inspiration, or if I think of something I want to make but don't have a recipe - it rarely lets me down!

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