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Moving from breadmachine to handmade bread

33 replies

BumptiousandBustly · 09/10/2010 18:25

Please can you recommend on line recipes or even a book for breads that I can make by hand - either rolls or in bread tins.

Simple white/brown/wholemeal recipes I can make to feed the family.

I would really appreciate it.

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UptoapointLordCopper · 09/10/2010 19:16

I always recommend this. Almost all our breads/cakes/cookies come from it.

BumptiousandBustly · 09/10/2010 20:46

Uptoapoint. thats great, many thanks. Exactly the kind of thing I am looking for.

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RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 09/10/2010 20:49

I have copy and pasted this recipe that a very kind MNetter wrote out for me - The River Cottage basic recipe and it's brilliant. This is from her post:

1kg strong flour
1sachet yeast
2 teaspoons salt
3 cups water (=600ml. Make with 1 part/cup cold to two parts/cups hot)

It's as easy as one, two, three, or at least one, one, two, three...

Mix it all together. Kneed. To kneed place gunk on work surface. Put one hand into the dough so you are grabbing the third of it closest to you. With the ball of your other hand push the remaining two thirds of the dough away from you so it stretches along the surface. You want to push it about a foot. Then fold the stretched dough back up and turn through a quarter so you can stretch it in a different direction first. When you begin kneeding the dough will be a mess and keep tearing and coming apart. It doesn't matter. Just keep on and you'll find it soon comes together. After ten mins (once you get the hang of the kneeding technique it'll take no time) it should be nice and stretchy. Well done, you have stretched your gluten.

now shape it so it can rise evenly. To do this pull the bit at twelve o clock towards the middle and push it in a bit so it sticks. Turn the dough round a bit and do it again. Do this 8 times till you've gone all the yay round and you have a nice round. Turn it over and put both hands under it supporting it. Move one forward and one back so it spins and the base can stick together nicely from the pressure. Rub a little oil on to stop it drying out, cover and let prove for a couple of hours till at least doubled in size.

Then punch it to knock the air out. Reshape as above. Put the oven on full with a baking sheet in and a deep tray underneath. When the dough is risen again boil the kettle. Put your dough on the hot tray and slash the top. Pour boiling water in the bottom tray. Shut the door. Check after ten mins. If it's browning quite a lot turn it down a touch. I like to take the tray out so it gets a good all over crust (helps it stop drying out in the bread bin) it's ready when it sounds hollow when tapped underneath.
It's better for you if it rises longer, aswell as tasting better so i like to use as little yeast as poss.

If you want to prove it somewhere cool overnight it needs to come back up to room temp before going to the oven. Straigt from the fridge this can take ages. I put it in our pantry which is cool rather than cold. Also i tear off a couple of little bits, shape them in to rounds, sprinkle with polenta and cook in a dry pan as breakfast muffins. That puts us on till the loaf's done.

The kneeding and shaping above is from the river cottage bread book and essential imo. I've made all our bread since i learnt it as it's so reliable.

rapidsjohnson · 09/10/2010 20:51

you'd be surprised how much you can just make up - you will already understand the basic grammar of baking bread from using the machine and hand baking is less sensitive because you adjust the times according to how long it needs.

I bet if you try guessing you will still come up with excellent bread.

this book is good though.

mousymouse · 10/10/2010 11:31

I have "my" recipe which I vary according to my mood/appetite/available ingedients:

mix 1 cup of flour with 1 cup of warm water and half a teaspoon dried active yeast.
leave for 6-8 hours. (I do this in the morning and finish baking when home from work)

add another cup of water and 500g flour a teaspoon salt a tablespoon oil

knead well leave for an hour. then knead again and put in baking dish. put in cold oven wait another hour or so. then switch on oven to 175 (fan) and bake for 50 min.

I like to use brown bread flour and a little bit rye flour. sometimes I add oats or pumpkin seeds.

MoonFaceMama · 10/10/2010 18:31
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It was my bdised river cottage bread book basic white that remembertoplaywiththekids gives above. I use it to make all of our bread. It rocks!

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 10/10/2010 20:19

it does rock - she's absolutely right! I didn't mention you by name because after 4 hours of broken sleep I couldn't remember it Blush

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 10/10/2010 20:21

I throw flour over the bread before popping it in the oven :)

meltedmarsbars · 10/10/2010 20:48

No one has suggested the method yet?

UptoapointLordCopper · 10/10/2010 21:03

The no-knead bread is great too!

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 11/10/2010 08:39

oh yes that does look good - does anyone have an actual written recipe for it?? I keep trying to watch the video with kids shouting in my ear and I'm not doing very well!

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 11/10/2010 08:41

Panic over found it!

BumptiousandBustly · 11/10/2010 11:58

Thankyou so much all of you. I will be trying all of these, this is exactly what I needed and has saved me from going out and trying to find a book with actual proper basic handmade breads in them.

Do any of you use a mixed with a dough hook to do the kneading, and does this work?

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mousymouse · 11/10/2010 13:14

I don't like kneading by hand and the handmixer with dough hooks works just fine.

UptoapointLordCopper · 11/10/2010 17:03

The Dan Lepard recipes require minimal kneading, and of course the no-knead bread requires no kneading. I like handling the dough - it's magic, turning lump of stuff into bread dough.

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 12/10/2010 14:22

Can anyone that has tried the NYT no-knead bread tell me if you really do need such an enormous pot to bake it in?? Also - I have a metal casserole pot - will that do or is metal no good?

UptoapointLordCopper · 12/10/2010 15:03

Just gone to measure my casserole dish that I use for the no-knead bread - it's 20cm by diameter and 9cm deep. It's not metal (for some reason can't think what the stuff is called. Clay? ceramics.)

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 12/10/2010 15:09

Thanks for that - I do have a clay pot too but it has a curved bottom and a rim so will the bread get stuck in it??

Your pot sounds smaller than the recipe indicates it should be, so that's a relief!

UptoapointLordCopper · 12/10/2010 16:14

Curved bottom?

I followed instructions - put pot into oven to heat, sprinkle some bran in, drop dough in quickly (and carefully), put lid on etc. I think the non-sticking bit has to do with having the pot surface hot enough when you put the dough in. But others may know better ...

meltedmarsbars · 13/10/2010 13:39

Remember - I use it often, usually in a casserole or metal saucepan with metal handles.

As long as the pot has a well-fitting lid and will take the heat of the oven, it should be ok.

The theory is that the pot makes a mini "steam oven" withing your oven.

I also dust the inside base with flour to prevent sticking.

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 13/10/2010 21:40

I made one today in an only just ok size wise pyrex dish!

I look forward to trying it tomorrow!!

One question - is there a knack to getting it in to the hot pot without puffing flour all over the kitchen???????????????

I am really enjoying the bread making but you can't just 'whip up a loaf' can you - requires much thinking head!

meltedmarsbars · 13/10/2010 22:01

Its good to mix up the night before and have hot bread for a late weekend breakfast.

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 13/10/2010 22:23

do you do the 2 hour rise? I don't think they did it on the video?

meltedmarsbars · 13/10/2010 22:36

I do the overnight version.

RememberToPlaywiththeKids · 13/10/2010 22:37

But the written recipe i found on the web does the overnight thing, then make in to a ball, cover with flour and cloth etc and rise for 2 hours then in to oven in hot pot. Do you just go straight for the oven?