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Friend wants to put new fish in uncycled tank

20 replies

Marne · 30/08/2013 13:22

Even though I have told her not too ,apparently the fish/pet shop has said it will be fine Sad, her water is cloudy (bacteria bloom) but she doesn't want to let the kids down as told them they could buy fish tomorrow (gold fish in a started tank). Its going to end badly isn't it? can't believe the shop are still saying its ok even though her tank is cloudy and not cycled (she's sure the advice she is getting from the shop is correct and I am wrong).

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LippyDiDooDah · 30/08/2013 13:26

Oh for goodness sake, how is she going to feel when the fish die (and they die in horrible positions too) and that upsets the children. How ridiculous and selfish.

EauRouge · 30/08/2013 13:30

Can you send her links from Practical Fishkeeping Magazine? I've met a lot of people like this and tbh they just go from place to place asking for advice until they are told what they want to hear :( so I don't know if there's much you can do. I would say give her a bit of your media but your tank is new as well so not sure if you have enough.

It is ridiculous and selfish and sets a terrible example to children about the responsibility of pet ownership. Angry And the shop should be bloody ashamed of themselves as well being more concerned about a sale than an animal's wellbeing. Sadly, goldfish cost pennies for them to buy in so they are seen as very replaceable.

EauRouge · 30/08/2013 13:35

Couldn't find anything on the RSPCA website, I'm going to email them and ask them if they'll produce something about fishless cycling.

Marne · 30/08/2013 14:23

I have sent her links on how and why to cycle, she called the shop back and they have agreed to test her water for her tomorrow before selling her any fish, I still have a feeling they will sell her some goldfish for her tiny tank Sad.

She doesn't live near me so I cant give her my media, even if she did live near I cant really spare any as mine has gone into my new tank (which was a small amount for the size of the filter), oh well, I have tried my best.

Eau (changing the subject slightly), my tank is green and I think its because I am using the old filter sponges which came with the tank (I did wash them first and replaced a couple with the media from my old tank but they were pretty ugly), I have ordered new sponges, how do I change them without messing my still cycling tank up?? do I change on at a time or is it ok to change them all still leaving the old media from my old tank in there?

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Marne · 30/08/2013 16:24

oh well, the shop has given her water the all clear (maybe because she did a water change this morning so she has took in tap water ) Sad, she wont listen so I give up.

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EauRouge · 30/08/2013 18:18

Why do you think the old sponges are causing the green water? What do the test results say? Have you tested for phosphate?

That's too bad about your friend :( and those poor fish. How big is the tank?

Marne · 30/08/2013 18:34

Friends tank looks about 20-25ltrs Sad.

Just tested my water and my nitrites were too high, I think the amount of media from my other tank was not enough Sad, I have done a big water change, I was doing daily changes (in case this happened) but stopped a couple days ago thinking it would be ok, all other readings were ok, no ammonia and just a touch of nitrate, fish all seem ok so far. Thought it was the filter sponges as they were quite stained, thought they might be colouring the water but maybe its not that.

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EauRouge · 30/08/2013 18:53

Oh dear, yes it could be that you've overloaded the filter :( A few extra water changes should sort things out.

Marne · 30/08/2013 19:19

Nitrites were 2.0 ,I did a 40% change, will test it again tomorrow and do another water change if I need too. Not happy as I have ordered some fish at a local fish shop for next Friday, hopefully they will hold on to them for me until me tank is ok.

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EauRouge · 30/08/2013 20:38

Crikey, that is high. I really would avoid adding any more fish for a few more weeks.

Marne · 31/08/2013 15:20

Just tested again and nitrite was 0.25 (ish), I have done another water change (my water bill is going to be high), do I keep going with daily water changes until it stays at 0?

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Mojavewonderer · 13/10/2013 17:20

You are all going to flame me for this but I cycle my tanks using hardy fish. I have always done it and I have never lost a fish in the process. I have been keeping tropical fish successfully for many years and rarely have any problems.

EauRouge · 14/10/2013 08:39

You've been lucky then! There's just no need to take the risk. Absolutely no need.

Mojavewonderer · 14/10/2013 11:47

"Aquarium Advice say"

Fish-in cycling can be done safely and easily, if you employ an effective technique. Unfortunately, there is a new wave of fishless cycling advocacy that has a tendency to demonize fish-in cycling as being some sort of cruel and difficult process, when in reality, it has been and will continue to be the industry standard for decades.

Believe it or not, fish-in cycling should not be an ethical concern like it is often made out to be. Often times, those that protest it have little actual experience with it, apart from a possible disaster story from their past or regurgitated preaching on the subject.

There are some common misconceptions on how people regularly get their tanks started. A person with several tanks most likely did not fishless cycle each of them, if anything they may have cycled the first one, or first few, but usually by that time the fishkeeper has a good enough understanding of the process to transfer some established filter media into the new tanks, which also technically makes this process a 'fish-in' cycle.

LFS advice can be sketchy at times, but not all the time. There is a reason why some privately run LFS are successful, and it is usually because they know what they are talking about. Granted, their stocking ideas may differ from the general accepted things you find on the net, but what do you expect? It's their business to sell you fish, so don't expect them to talk you out of buying things. I do not believe that any ethical business would advise you with the intent of harming your fish so that they can make more money off of you later in medications and other things.

Fishless cycling is a good thing, and if you don't feel like you can manage the responsibility of doing a fish-in cycle, then I suggest you go that route. But if you are like me, and don't want to stare at a barren tank for a month or two, then take the red pill and follow me down the rabbit hole.

Mojavewonderer · 14/10/2013 11:51

I have had 6 tanks running successfully for many years! Don't insult me by saying its luck! I cycled the first tank but I have never cycled one since! I sell my home bred stock to other aquariums and they certainly feel that my fish are well looked after and healthy.

EauRouge · 14/10/2013 23:17

Transfering mature media between tanks is not fish-in cycling, everyone does that. Starting a cycle completely from scratch using fish is pointless though.

EauRouge · 15/10/2013 08:46

I don't know where the information you posted comes from, I've never heard of "Aquarium Advice"- I assume it's a website. Fishkeeping www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=2491 has been promoting fishless cycling for ages, as have many other websites. A lot of LFS are now as well, apart from the ones run by dinosaurs that give it the old "we've been doing it this way for years" argument. Things change, things improve; ignoring new techniques and new standards of fish welfare will just hold the hobby back.

EauRouge · 15/10/2013 08:46

Bollocks, link fail Practical Fishkeeping.

EauRouge · 15/10/2013 11:26

Just to clarify: Moving filter media and fish between tanks is not fish-in cycling. Using a tiny bit of filter media in a new tank with new fish is fish-in cycling.

Also the level of ammonia that's toxic to fish can vary depending on temperature and pH (see here ). It's quite low for tropical temperatures at neutral and above pH. So it's a risk that I would not be willing to take with my fish, although some people prefer to take the risk so that they can stock their tanks more quickly.

DixonBainbridge · 08/11/2013 16:27

I've always started a new tank with a fish or two in it and then gradually added more up to the max stocking level over a period of weeks/months. If you read any fishkeeping book from 15+ years ago, that's the method they all recommended.

WRT the OPs friend, unfortunately for the goldfish they'll probably survive with no problems.

PFK had a letter years ago about a goldfish in a primary school. Every week the teacher would take the bowl over to the sink, catch the goldfish in the net & put it on the draining board. Tip out old water, add new, cold, tapwater & then put the fish back in.

She'd been doing that for around 5 years at that point.... Poor fish was probably praying for death!!

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