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Titan - netflix documentary

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Garfieldd · 14/06/2025 12:00

Is anyone else shocked by this? I can't believe this was allowed to happen. It's like that guy knew it was flawed and destined to fail but he did not want to accept it. So sad and so unbelievable.

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GasperyJacquesRoberts · 14/06/2025 12:18

Rush put a lot of effort in to making sure that what he was doing was out of government oversight. You can put in as many checks and balances as you like but if someone is willing to spend a lot of money to do something really stupid they'll often find a way.

But I don't think Rush saw it as anywhere near as dangerous as it turned out to be. I think he was someone who was convinced of his own brilliance, that all the experts were wrong while he was right, and that this would put him on the rich tech genius map alongside Musk and Bezos.

He was a classic narcissist, completely incapable of listening to anyone or anything that suggested he didn't know what he was doing or that his fantastic idea was flawed.

grizzlyoldbear · 14/06/2025 12:24

Yes, it was shocking. Rush seemed really unhinged. I know it's easy to say that with hindsight, but something about his eyes looked sad and a bit nuts. Total classic narcissist yes.

DecidedlyUndecided · 14/06/2025 12:45

I was shocked too - I had read about the issues but wasn't prepared for that level of negligence and delusion. So sad.

Mingenious · 14/06/2025 12:50

I watched couple of couple of days ago, Rush was a megalomaniac.

The thing that struck me most was that no-one from OceanGate had reached out to Paul-Henri Nargeolet‘s wife after he died. Imagine being so completely heartless.

MyKingdomForACat · 14/06/2025 12:56

He was an arrogant man who sacked anyone who pointed out the flaws in his idea. The carbon fibre wasn’t safe at those pressures. He was told repeatedly but he chose to ignore and dig his heels in. Shocking

Ashipcalleddignity · 14/06/2025 12:57

I haven't watched the NF documentary, but I did see the BBC2 one a few weeks ago. The tv presenter and Explorer Josh Gates was asked to travel on it and after visiting it and witnessing first hand how dangerous it was, he pulled out and told the head of the network it should not be allowed to be used to carry passengers and was unsafe and utterly unfit for purpose. He was ignored.

I think the thing that shocked me the most was that the whole submersible was controlled with a X box controller !

Garfieldd · 14/06/2025 13:15

Yes he was completely unhinged, narcissistic and there was something very unsettling about him. The snapping sounds at the bottom of the ocean, absolutely terrifying!

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yourefreetodowhatyouwanttodo · 14/06/2025 13:18

I thought he was joking when he pulled out the x box controller as the main controller of the submarine or whatever it’s called

and surely fibres glued together is obvious enough to someone like me that failed science - the pressure of the water will rip that apart in seconds

Disturbia81 · 14/06/2025 14:05

He got what he deserved, sounds like a menace to work under too. But RIP to the others.

Disturbia81 · 14/06/2025 14:06

Mingenious · 14/06/2025 12:50

I watched couple of couple of days ago, Rush was a megalomaniac.

The thing that struck me most was that no-one from OceanGate had reached out to Paul-Henri Nargeolet‘s wife after he died. Imagine being so completely heartless.

That was his daughter, but yes awful how they didn’t reach out.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 14/06/2025 15:08

yourefreetodowhatyouwanttodo · 14/06/2025 13:18

I thought he was joking when he pulled out the x box controller as the main controller of the submarine or whatever it’s called

and surely fibres glued together is obvious enough to someone like me that failed science - the pressure of the water will rip that apart in seconds

Well designed carbon fibre structures can be incredibly strong. But it's way better in tension than compression.

It wasn't helped by the way the hull was made. It was too thick for the resin to cure properly in one go so it was built up by laying a 1" thick layer, curing it, then covering it in glue and putting the next layer on. The glue wasn't evenly applied and created weak points - some of the recovered pieces showed this glue layer had gaps. The repeated curings wouldn't have done the resin any favours.

Even worse, after building up the 1" layers there were ripples in the surface which were ground down so cutting through the carbon fibre strands and creating even more weak points. It really was an accident waiting to happen.

Bollynicks · 14/06/2025 15:48

Watched the NF documentary the other night. I was absolutely livid Rush didn't give one hoot about the lives of others.

Disturbia81 · 14/06/2025 18:44

Bollynicks · 14/06/2025 15:48

Watched the NF documentary the other night. I was absolutely livid Rush didn't give one hoot about the lives of others.

He really didn’t.. I mean who would store a vessel like that uncovered in the snow for months, after it’s made all those popping noises.

coolmum123 · 16/06/2025 13:07

I was horrified watching this documentary and the one on BBC Iplayer.
Does anyone know why the people on the ship (Rush's wife etc) took so long to call the coastguard? On one of the youtube videos I watched it said they raised the alarm after 8 hours! The sub was supposed to check in every 15 mins!

Clarabell77 · 18/06/2025 21:36

coolmum123 · 16/06/2025 13:07

I was horrified watching this documentary and the one on BBC Iplayer.
Does anyone know why the people on the ship (Rush's wife etc) took so long to call the coastguard? On one of the youtube videos I watched it said they raised the alarm after 8 hours! The sub was supposed to check in every 15 mins!

Probably panicking about their culpability.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 22/06/2025 20:13

Watched both and wow...seeing how it actually looked how did anyone think it was a good idea? Guess you put your trust that people know what theyre doing.

All the people fired for bringing up safety concerns.
"You don’t seem to have an explorer mindset." Because of concerns..

From the BBC one didnt realise the message about wights came after the sound heard. Guess if that hadn't come through theyd realised sooner. Though as said if meant to check in and didnt...also shouldve been a sign

witwatwoo · 22/06/2025 20:17

Absolutely dreadful, really liked the Scottish guy and his opinion of them all ‘wankers!

tothelefttotheleft · 22/06/2025 21:23

@coolmum123

That was the thing that shocked me most. 8 hours?!

MyLov · 23/06/2025 00:23

The time it took them to contact for help was a bit long but I suspect they thought it was possible just comms had gone down and that the sub was surfacing somewhere, and they were waiting for surfacing then searching themselves. There slow reaction times could also have been affected by the fact that a raging psychopath/narcissist ran the company and they were fearful of his reaction should they call in the authorities (who Rush was avoiding) unnecessarily.

So not shocked by this (and because it was irrelevant really, that sub was a timebomb and the likelihood was that either comms was lost and they’d pop up somewhere, or it had imploded). What I was shocked about was quite how much was ignored. I knew there was obvious hubris involved - I had thought that Rush had ignored warnings about the use of carbon fibre (which anyone knows is super strong until it isn’t when it can just shatter) and placed too much faith in his sensors to give a warning of this about to happen - I had assumed that his sensors warned them too late and they didn’t have time to get to the surface ie they weren’t as good/effective as he had hoped they were. But I was shocked that basically that wasn’t the case - sub materials had completely failed testing, the sensors were giving warnings that it was going to fail which were ignored, and tbh you didn’t need the sensors as loud cracks were audible to all, and then to leave the sub out in freezing temperatures like that is beyond negligent. I am shocked he was happy to ignore all of this and risk his own life, he must have been that deluded about his own “theories” he ignored even his own warning system. How he did that when he repeatedly saw what happened in the pressure testing I have no idea.

What I still don’t understand properly (and of course he can’t tell us now sadly) is why someone of PH Nageolet’s calibre was involved. He was lending the whole project credibility by his presence and the comment about keeping people safe by being there doesn’t make sense to me. The thing was a ticking timebomb that no one could make safe, he must have known this. I do wonder what his thinking was.

It will interesting to hear what comes out of the review as given Rush did all sorts you avoid having any oversight I do wonder what you could do to avoid someone doing something similar again. One thing that should change is that when someone whistleblows about significant safety issues, those issues should be investigated whether or not someone withdraws their complaint and there should be protections for whistleblowers from the the sort of malicious lawsuits that Rush took out to get rid of the problem. Those sorts of tactics shouldn’t be allowed to work. Hopefully some changes come out as a result of this.

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