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SocksAndTheCity · 20/09/2024 22:07

I saw this a few weeks ago at a festival but it's out on general release today and I'll be going again on Monday - I thought it was terrific, if a bit long. Has anybody else been for a look? It's pretty squishy and definitely not for everyone.

Demi Moore is just stunning (as is Margaret Qualley), Dennis Quaid is absolutely grotesque and the end is mental 🤣

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BookishType · 25/10/2024 08:12

I’ve been put off by my colleague who said it was beyond dreadful and the audience was laughing at it.

category12 · 25/10/2024 08:19

BookishType · 25/10/2024 08:12

I’ve been put off by my colleague who said it was beyond dreadful and the audience was laughing at it.

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I think it's very marmite.

It takes everything as far as it can. So it can tip over the edge.

But I thought it had some interesting ideas/themes as well as being the spectacle it is.

TuckFrump · 25/10/2024 08:34

I hated it as well.

It tries to set itself up as a provocative look at how women are exploited by the media / the male gaze..blah...blah...blah. It ends up being far more exploitative than anything a male director could get away with today. How is that progressive?

Seeing that people on set had to intervene has made me even more annoyed. Utter bullshit. It's not nearly as clever as it thinks it is.

I thought Demi was excellent though, which I've never thought before.

Seagall · 25/10/2024 08:36

BookishType · 25/10/2024 08:12

I’ve been put off by my colleague who said it was beyond dreadful and the audience was laughing at it.

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Tbf I was laughing, lots of people were. We were all loving it though.

Tomorrowisyesterday · 25/10/2024 08:48

I do wonder if people had watched the trailer before going to see it, you got a good sense of what was to come from it!

SocksAndTheCity · 25/10/2024 08:57

Seagall · 25/10/2024 08:36

Tbf I was laughing, lots of people were. We were all loving it though.

Well yes - it's a black comedy! Although some people seem to have been expecting a documentary 😳🤣

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SocksAndTheCity · 25/10/2024 10:08

The MUBI streaming date is 31st October 😀

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Dogpawssmellgreat · 25/10/2024 10:21

BookishType · 25/10/2024 08:12

I’ve been put off by my colleague who said it was beyond dreadful and the audience was laughing at it.

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I laughed. I loved it.

netflixfan · 25/10/2024 21:06

I saw it this afternoon, it's brilliant. Feminist body shocker, amazing sets, didn't even notice it was 2 hours long. Yes gory, but not scary.

LLresident · 25/10/2024 21:07

I’m looking forward to seeing it.

ConstantlyFuriosa · 28/10/2024 16:24

I absolutely loved this. Yes, there were a lot of arse shots but I think the point of that was to really get in your face and be explicit about how women’s bodies are exploited. I mean, it started off as a workout show and they just dropped all pretence once they had Sue onboard and it became a bump and grind show. I didn’t once feel like those shots were taken from the male gaze, though, which is quite a feat.

Coralie Fargeat does something similar in her debut film Revenge where she lingers over the perfect body of Matilda Lutz. If you haven't seen that film, I can highly recommend it. Currently on the Shudder channel on Prime.

VictoriaSpungecake · 30/10/2024 07:41

I really want to big up Demi Moore. I don't know anything about the making of this film but I am guessing that her saying "yes" to it was one of the reasons it got made, and it is certainly why it has received so much attention. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when she discussed the script with Fargeat and revealed anecdotes about her own experiences of sexism in Hollywoodland.

I am so rooting for her to receive an Oscar nomination.

RubyRooRed · 30/10/2024 22:17

I absolutely loved this film.
The way it was filmed, the sets , the styling , the colours, the costumes. Demi in the blue and yellow outfit etc . Super slick and styled.
It was wild and wacky at the end but that was the fun of it.
I thought the scene with Dennis Quaid slurping the prawns so grossly and disgustingly and the zooming in on his old yellow teeth was to highlight that even if men are gross and awful and aging horribly , it doesn’t matter because they are still going to be powerful men at the top of their career . Because gross older men were the top dogs in Hollywood for years ? I thought the contrast in that scene was amazing , Dennis messy and disgusting whilst Demi sat across from him being sacked while she was pristine and calm and looked amazing for her age but was still being discarded …
There were loads of scenes that made me really think …
Also hope it is nominated and wins some awards , it’s so much more than just a horror .
Also love that Demi is so proud of it in the promo interviews .

xsquared · 03/11/2024 22:56

I've seen the trailer for this which looked interesting bit I don't think I'll bother as I'm really not keen on body horror.

I thought Margaret Qualley actually looked like a young version of Jennifer Connelly, and thought she'd be more convincing as the older self.

Demi was in St Elmo's fire with Qualley's mum, Andie Macdowell.

CreativeMumWriter · 05/11/2024 09:12

I understand the movie's point (or at least I think I do), the message it's meant to share. However, it could have been equally strong without this many close-ups of Sue's body and with a slightly less gross ending. But as someone here said, I also wonder if I'm overthinking it.

category12 · 05/11/2024 12:23

CreativeMumWriter · 05/11/2024 09:12

I understand the movie's point (or at least I think I do), the message it's meant to share. However, it could have been equally strong without this many close-ups of Sue's body and with a slightly less gross ending. But as someone here said, I also wonder if I'm overthinking it.

I think the close ups were deliberately excessive to hammer it home - it was pushed to the point of ridiculousness in the same way as we homed in on the grossness of Quaid.

RubyRooRed · 05/11/2024 17:54

@category12 Yes I agree , I think it was to show the extremes.

NaiceOchreMaker · 07/11/2024 03:31

I watched it and I felt terrible. I couldn't understand what this film was trying to say

doingitalone635 · 17/11/2024 21:24

I came away from the film actually feeling good about myself and thankful for what I've got, regardless of whether I meet current beauty standards.

Supersimkin7 · 17/11/2024 21:39

Obsessed. I loved it.

That yellow coat.

StickyProblem · 24/11/2024 11:05

I saw it on MUBi last night! Absolutely brilliant.

I was quite shocked by so many shots of Elisabeth's naked body at the start but it's perfect for the plot....Demi Moore has an absolutely fantastic body, but it's an older woman's body and the flaws are very clear, can't be good enough for the media.

Loved the transformation scene...she looks in the mirror thinking "do I look better?" then the actual transformation happens which is far more brutal and yet impressive than she could have imagined.

The turning point is when she doesn't go on her date and instead hits herself...heartbreaking. When she's watering at herself and again looking at all her flaws, which we can also see... Demi Moore was a phenomenally beautiful woman in her youth. But nobody can age well enough. This is where things go wrong for the character. If she had gone on the date she would have been loving and nurturing the "old version" of herself. As she's told throughout "you are the matrix" "you are one". Instead, she hates and beats herself. She let the young, shallow, vain side of herself dominate instead of maintaining the balance between old and young. The relentless awfulness of having Sue's image right in front of her windows (nobody in American movies ever has blinds 😂)

Hadn't thought about how food was shown, thanks to the PP who mentioned that - every source of nourishment was made to look disgusting, even the coffee she has in the diner.

We picked up a theme of Elisabeth/Sue as the Earth (spinning in the blue dress at the end) you can take from it, but not infinitely as it has to refresh. If you take too much too quickly "what has been used up cannot be returned".

Fast forwarded through the fight scene...that's for hard core horror fans which I am not. Although enjoyed the Carrie-like scene! Loved how it finally ended, the beginning seemed like hours ago.

I also liked the corridor at the studio, Elisabeth has all her posters to show her long career, then it's all erased when she's fired, then Sue gets two posters but she doesn't get the long career, she's used up far more quickly. Then we get the Shining!

Watched it with DP who is a huge film buff and got all the references but he's always shocked by the brutality of films that truly reflect the female perspective. He said it's saying awful things about what women are meant to be and I said it's saying it exactly how it is. We had the same conversation after Black Swan!

Loved hearing everyone's views... I knew MNers would have interesting perspectives!

VictoriaSpungecake · 24/11/2024 11:17

doingitalone635 · 17/11/2024 21:24

I came away from the film actually feeling good about myself and thankful for what I've got, regardless of whether I meet current beauty standards.

Yes, I feel so lucky that I am not a Hollywood actress. For an ordinary woman like me growing older is actually a privilege. I find the increasing invisibility quite empowering because it means that I can get on with my life and put my accrued experience to good use (in my job, in relationships etc). It is great to take that step back and to see with increasing clarity the way that women are judged according to their looks, which is gross.

I was also thinking about how very beautiful women are taken up by successful men and given limited access to their power. Those same beautiful women can then become victims of the brutality of that power: destroyed by wankers like P Diddy, Chris Brown, Weinstein, Epstein and many others we haven't heard of and possibly never will.

SocksAndTheCity · 11/12/2024 13:31

Five Golden Globes nominations 😀

https://goldenglobes.com/film/the-substance/

The Substance - Golden Globes

https://goldenglobes.com/film/the-substance

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RubyRooRed · 11/12/2024 19:20

Wow - amazing - knew it would do well, hopefully this is a sign of things to come with the Oscar’s …

VictoriaSpungecake · 12/12/2024 07:31

A lot of us on here have been hoping it would at least get nominations. Fingers crossed!