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Is it or isn't it?

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LookItsMeAgain · 18/12/2023 13:51

Is "Die Hard" (the first one) a Christmas movie?

Which team are you on??

Team Hans or Team John??

To help you with your decision - I've set up the following poll:

Team Hans = Nope, not a Christmas Movie, what on earth are you thinking!!!

Team John = Yep. It's deffo a Christmas Movie. Yippie-kai-yay!!! Everyone else is wrong.

Get voting!!!!!!!!

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tommika · 18/12/2023 14:52

As a supplement to this question:

Q1) Is Die Hard a Christmas movie ?
Q2) Optional - What are the reasons for your answer to Q1?
Q3) Is pineapple on pizza acceptable?

tommika · 18/12/2023 14:55

My answers:

  1. yes
  2. it’s at Christmas, with Christmas music, it features the phrase “ho ho ho”, family is an underlying theme
  3. no
LookItsMeAgain · 18/12/2023 15:46

tommika · 18/12/2023 14:52

As a supplement to this question:

Q1) Is Die Hard a Christmas movie ?
Q2) Optional - What are the reasons for your answer to Q1?
Q3) Is pineapple on pizza acceptable?

Edited

1 - Yes
2 - It's set at Christmas, they are at a work Christmas Party, when McClean kills one of the bad guys he writes on the sweatshirt "Now I have a machine gun - Ho! Ho! Ho!", did I mention it's set at Christmas, there is a big cuddly toy in the limo from the airport, at the end of the movie, McClean attaches the gun to his back with Christmas tape, oh and did I mention that it's set at Christmas? There are Christmas trees, decorated, around the offices?? Lastly, when the good guys are trying to break into the Nakatomi Plaza, the bad guys start saying "'Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house, not a creature was stirring except for the something guys coming in in two by two formation" or words to that effect.
3 - Yes. You don't have to eat it if you don't want to but it's as acceptable as anchovies (though not at the same time).

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tommika · 26/12/2023 14:09

A follow up to explain my supplementary questions ….. and you’ve broken the statistics (but we only have a sample of two)

The questions ought to be hidden among some other related questions, but used to demonstrate some statistical tripfalls such as correlation does not equal causation and the ‘why’ forces people to think and ‘justify’ their answers

The trend that I’ve seen whenever these were put together is that answers tend to match as:

‘Die Hard is a Christmas movie’ and ‘pineapple is unacceptable on pizza’

or

‘Die Hard is not a Christmas movie’ and ‘pineapple is acceptable on pizza’

Get enough answers matching this trend and you can claim a correlation, but don’t have good enough information to show a valid relationship between them
(In statistics you can prove no evidence of a relationship, but when their appears to be one you can only prove that there could be one - but cannot rule out coincidence or that other data could give a different result - veering towards Simpsons paradox)

You can conclude that x% of respondants are right and y% are wrong / have a flaw in their brain
A potential relationship is that two ‘contraversial’ questions have been asked, and perhaps the relationship is between those who give a ‘socially acceptable’ answer vs those who like to go their own way

The majority of responses on your survey go for Die Hard is a Christmas movie, which potentially also reflects the common use of the question and therefore those who may disagree the first time (saying it’s not a Christmas movie but an action movie) will most likely have heard the counter arguments and been persuaded by the
christmas links - which accompanied by the need to justify your reasoning means those who say no must prove a negative, whereas those who say yes could simply say it is at Christmas or could go into the numerous points
Someone who is quite sure on it not being a Christmas movie could argue that the Christmas party is only a justification to allow for a group to be present out of hours enabling hostages and John to come to the building - the type of party is irrelevant so any justification via the party, tunes, date etc could be discarded as it’s an action movie with just a particular party
…… go onto the sequels and other than Die Hard 2s timing on Christmas Eve they are just action movies without the additional tropes of Christmas movies with family etc

With statistics you can prove anything, especially when cleansing data - can you just reject outliers as anomalies - and then skew results back to those that match the desired answer ?

With just two of us answering the extra answers, and also your reasoning for pineapple on pizza you have thought of others with “you don’t have to eat it of you don’t want to”
(I can be happy that pineapple pizza is wrong, but also accept that other people are allowed to be wrong if they want to be ——- so I’m contradicting myself that it is unacceptable but accept other people accepting it, which surely means it’s acceptable and just not for me)

tommika · 26/12/2023 14:12

The textual explanation also gives the ability to do some data analysis of the words, such as a simple word cloud or deeper into quantifing text analysis with weight against key words (and going into seeing if responses can illustrate what makes a Christmas movie as opposed to just saying it has Christmas in it)

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