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Toddlerteaplease · 13/09/2019 14:58

Sitting in the cinema with Ben & Jerry's wishing the adverts would finish.

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GotToGoMyOwnWay · 21/09/2019 15:26

That’s quite a character change for Andy though isn’t it? He’s not like that in series? If anything Daisy is a bit of a cow to Andy IIRC.

corythatwas · 21/09/2019 15:49

Not the first time he lashes out against the furniture, though: remember that lamp that crashed to the floor when he wasn't able to read Mr Mason's pig books.

What happens when he wrecks the boiler in the film? (I hope the long-suffering Thomas comes in and tells him, in his capacity as a butler, that he'll be paying stoppages until Christmas).

Toddlerteaplease · 21/09/2019 23:55

@corythatwas nothing happens. The plumber comes back to fix it. Surely he'd have been sacked.

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AnOojamaflip · 22/09/2019 18:19

Can anyone explain the solution that Tom somehow provided to the princess!? Totally bypassed me.

AnOojamaflip · 22/09/2019 18:23

Should add, just out the film. I enjoyed it, like an episode

Totally daft stories lines with nice endings

rockingthelook · 25/09/2019 20:28

Took my Mum, quite enjoyable and easy going film, I laughed when I wasn't supposed to (much to her disgust!) Carson as grand as ever, Daisy preferring Andy to the tasty plumber, really?? Lady Mary's accent getting plummier than ever, Barrow,bless him, Mr Moseley actually very funny....in fact, I think now on reflection, I enjoyed it much more than I should've :)

NoHummus · 25/09/2019 20:38

I absolutely loved it! I'm really tempted to go and see it again. I worked out the reason for the inheritance quite early on, and was trying to remember who had been in the know with a similar storyline in the series (trying to avoid spoilers!). Got a bit emotional at the end.
I also thought Andy's behaviour was a big red flag, I doubt if Daisy will ever actually marry him! Wink I loved that Thomas got a bit of happiness too.

Loveislandaddict · 26/09/2019 16:49

The plumber can sort out my plumbing any day! Blush

DrCoconut · 30/09/2019 22:01

I thought Barrow looked rather handsome in the film, I hadn't noticed it in the series. Loved it because of the Harewood connection. My great grandma's cousin was in service there in the interwar years and my mum has a letter he wrote home describing a royal visit.

cathyno5 · 05/10/2019 10:27

I loved the fact that there was an allusion to things going missing when Queen Mary visited - she was well known as a kleptomaniac!

I really enjoyed the film. A very relaxing, nice, way to spend a couple of hours.

brittanyfairies · 05/10/2019 10:36

I loved the series but was so disappointed in the film.

There was absolutely no subtlety in the script, I didn't find the story that engaging and at times it was farcical.

Lady Mary has she always been such a bad actress?

I did love the Barrow storyline, and Molesly made me laugh, but that was it really.

WombatChocolate · 05/10/2019 10:41

I really enjoyed it and thought it got better as it went on. Bit clunky (as ever) at start.

Didn’t like the storyline of servants taking over by tricking the palace staff - and as if it really would have been a surprise to them that protocol said place staff took over from house staff!) - found that a bit annoying!

Quite liked the Thomas storyline. Not really sure there would have been a gay club like that and think that throughout Downton most people in the programme have been more accepting of Thomas than was genuinely likely at the time (TV makers can’t resist putting modern values or moral lessons in even when they are anachronistic) but I liked the end point of that storyline with wondering what the future would hold - thought it was quite satisfying.

And a few laugh out loud moments from Maggie Smith and Molesly. And loved Branson not knowing who Orincess Mary was.

A couple of annoying departures from main storyline - no mention of Daisy having got educated, and since when was she a republican.....but I understand why these things happened for a 2 hr stand-alone film.

Fab ballroom scenes. Reminded me how I often feel like Lydia Bennett and want to say ‘how I long for a Ball’

2 hours of smiling and feeling part of it again and as if it continued in the vein of the original. Just right!

AlexaAmbidextra · 05/10/2019 11:49

Oh I loved it. Never mind all the criticisms. It was wonderful. So sad the series has finished.

corythatwas · 05/10/2019 15:12

About the gay thing, there were definitely gay clubs in London at the time & quite widely known about, only question is whether York was too provincial.
Though illegal there was also far less of a moral panic about homosexuality in the '20s than there was to be later: Yes, it was illegal and punishments quite harsh, but on the whole people were probably less likely to look for it and report it. The 40s/50s was when it got really nasty, not least because it was tied up with fears of traitors and spies. And even then, people did overlook it if it served their interests. There is a story that the Queen Mother was approached by the Secret Service and asked to get rid of any homosexual staff due to risks of blackmail. Her response was, "We'd have to go into self-service then" . But that was much later than the 20s.
Nobody wanted to TALK about it much in the 20s, certainly not recognise it as equal to heterosexuality, but at a time when trained servants are getting rare, why would you risk losing a trained butler, who knows and accepts the ways of the house, when he isn't actually causing any scandal? Barrow leaves the hallboys alone (the family might reflect that unlike so many of his fellow butlers he is unlikely to be getting the maids pregnant), he is also sober (again unlike many of his fellow butlers) and seems willing to accept a very modest lifestyle for his rank. From the pov of the Crawley he really has a lot going for him.
A real life butler would be expecting a proper cooked breakfast, 3 course dinner served on a proper tablecloth in a separate room for upper servants, not slumming it with maids and hall boys, and decent wine with his meals and port afterwards. He would be the one in charge of hirings and firings, not the one who comes in one day to find that somebody else is at his desk and he can just hang around and take orders and be referred to as Something or other. Which is why Mary's behaviour is so unacceptable here. Yes, the door slamming was childish (and typical of Barrow) but Mary's impulsive action, just barging in without any thought of etiquette was equally immature. They're as childish as one another those two. But at the same time, nobody at the time would have expected the butler to accept being spoken to like some junior kitchen maid, that just wasn't how these things worked.
There was also less of a tendency to think of homosexuality as defining personality and not just illegal acts,. As Barrow points out it series 3 it is the acts that are illegal. For the rest, people were aware of Feminine Men, but the concept "gay" hadn't been invented. As long as he doesn't look very feminine (in which case he might have got a job as a valet but hardly as a butler where an imposing exterior mattered), and doesn't get caught in illegal acts, then as far as the 1920s go, there probably isn't much to think about. The upper servants get edgy when he does seem to show an interest in someone, but otherwise they probably don't think about it. It's not an era where people talk about their sexuality much anyway.

LBOCS2 · 05/10/2019 15:44

The whole series has just popped up on Amazon Prime for anyone who wants to rewatch. I've gone back to the beginning - Edith is such an annoying pain in the arse, and I'd forgotten!

corythatwas · 05/10/2019 16:01

The one that gets me is how nasty Mrs Patmore was to Daisy in the 1st series, really the stereotype of the bad-tempered cook. But yes, Edith too, really quite spiteful.

Toddlerteaplease · 06/10/2019 01:49

Mrs Patmore's miraculous recovery from her cataract operation is what irritates me. She's never have been able to take her glasses off.

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corythatwas · 06/10/2019 08:41

I raise you Thomas' hand. Got a bullet right through it, would surely have shattered the small bones, damaged the ligaments for good and caused longterm pain, is enough to save him from carrying stretchers for the rest of the war, yet the next time we see him he is using that hand to make the bed to old-fashioned hospital standards.

Honeyroar · 06/10/2019 12:31

It was sweet, but silly. Nowhere near good enough for a film really, it was like a Xmas episode.

Barrow didn't look half as good looking as he used to, but Tom looked much better looking, strangely. I'd have gone for the plumber if I were Daisy!

I loved Edith's headpiece. I've always much preferred her to the spoilt bitchy Mary (but seem to be the only one that likes her!).

The plot about the Royal servants being locked in/duped was so annoying, it would never happen.

Toddlerteaplease · 06/10/2019 19:59

And Anna continuing to work after marriage, let alone after having a baby would never even have occurred to anyone. It just wasn't the done thing.

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corythatwas · 06/10/2019 23:34

YY to Anna, don't see how that could have worked at all.
Another thing that seems really anachronistic to me us how cut off the Crawley are from the rest of the world, they hardly seem to do any entertaining (apart from the king & queen), not even when Edith and Rose are still unmarried, Mary and Edith have no social life, and the servants don't seem to have any friends either. In real life, when the family went away - as families did from time to time--they would put the servants on board wages, the servants would pocket the wages & go and live for free at somebody else's house where they knew the servants.

Egghead68 · 06/10/2019 23:39

I thought it was silly but fun. It’s going to be on TV at Christmas time I think.

Toddlerteaplease · 06/10/2019 23:42

Julian Fellowes seems to forget that the servants adhered to the class structure as much as the family. The bit with Mrs Hughes borrowing Lady Granthams coat for her wedding and Daisy using Mary's hairdryer just would never ever have happened. Daisy would have never gone upstairs. As kitchen staff it just wasn't done.

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BitOfFun · 06/10/2019 23:51

Fab post, corythatwas, very informative!

StealthPussy · 12/10/2019 05:39

Have just watched all the series on Sky and they are constantly entertaining or going to London. Often had people for dinner or staying a few days for business or on a hunt. Usually Mary’s men. But they are always saying they’ve brought the wrong outfit for the occasion. Usually the men saying they’ve only brought their black tie outfit, not their white. They manage to bring a man with them to dress them but not manage to bring two suits. Must be a running joke with the script writers to get that into every episode. It’s not meant to be a true reflection of how life was. It’s entertainment made to please the American audience. They love the pomp, the fashion, the social rules and the plummy accents. Certain storylines are played to suit them too, eg when Edith rejected having an illegal abortion to have the baby and let the farmer have her until she adopted her.

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