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The new Swallows and Amazons film is awful, sadly

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/08/2016 22:36

Total pile of crap. They've tried to make the Walkers more relatable by making them incompetent, but now that John can't sail and Susan can't cook you're just left wondering wtf Mrs Walker thinks she's doing letting them go off on their own.
Add in a hot mess of an unnecessary Russian spy plot which just ends up slowing it all down, and that's an hour and a half of my life I'll never get back.
Jessica Hynes and Harry Enfield were good and Kelly Macdonald was lovely. And the youngest Swallow was very cute. Otherwise, bah.

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Natsku · 20/08/2016 00:42

Bugger. Going to see it tomorrow with DD and my mum and was really looking forward to it.

elephantoverthehill · 20/08/2016 00:50

Ok Blu your on. I will be Peggy. We will go to Wild Cat Island did I mention many have tried to teach me but I can't sail

PerspicaciaTick · 20/08/2016 01:09

I've been making sad noises about this film for the last fortnight in an effort to stop DS wanting to go and see it. I've explained that some books are wonderful and the films change the story and are disappointing (like the new Swallows and Amazons) but other books are crap and the films can only be an improvement (like Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children).
We are buying the (almost perfect) 1974 version of S&A on DVD too and will have popcorn at home.

meck · 20/08/2016 01:14

Oh no I had high expectations for this. Bah! The spies and seaplanes sound very Enid Blyton

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/08/2016 07:31

Perspicacia, have you seen the film of Miss Peregrine? Dd and I saw the trailer and she really really wants to go. I didn't like the book but did think it might make an OK film.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/08/2016 07:37

Sounds like other people liked Swallows and Amazons more than we did! That's good, it would be a shame if modern children got put off Arthur Ransome by it.

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Alicekeach · 20/08/2016 07:39

Glad to see the S&A love on here! For those of you who like the 1970 film, you might be interested to know that Sophie Neville who played Titty (brilliantly, I thought!) has written a lot about the filming process. She kept a diary all through the shoot and has used it as the basis of a blog. Link below.

sophieneville.net/category/autobiography/

Katymac · 20/08/2016 09:15

Dd has decided we should see both in the interests of 'fairness'

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 20/08/2016 09:53

It's sounding like the film is better if people haven't read the book.

BurnTheBlackSuit · 20/08/2016 10:00

Seaplanes and Russian spies? Pah! Why? S&A is such a brilliant book, it's a full and complete story. It doesn't need stupid extra bits added in to it to make it more "exciting".

The only good thing about the film is that it makes me want to re-read all the books!

Nancy was of course really called Ruth, but changed her name because pirates are ruthless!

PerspicaciaTick · 20/08/2016 10:00

No, DD wants to see it. I'm thinking it can't be worse than the book.

ineedaholidaynow · 20/08/2016 10:35

What's wrong with the book?

Natsku · 20/08/2016 18:37

It wasn't so bad, I quite enjoyed it anyway. Works better if you try not to compare it to the book but just enjoy it for what it is. Although I kept changing tatty to titty in my head.

ineedaholidaynow · 21/08/2016 15:48

Have just been to see it.

The 1970s film is definitely better and more faithful to the book.

The new film is good but probably better for people who haven't read the books. Don't know why they just didn't make a film of one of the other books instead, Winter Holiday was always my favourite.

Didn't like how they made John quite horrible and Susan a rubbish cook. Also it didn't seem right to see them arguing, although that is probably more realistic than the book was!

PikachuSayBoo · 22/08/2016 16:48

Ive seen it today and enjoyed it. Yes the original is better but this is ok, enjoyable.

Haven't they merged two books story lines together? I know swallows and Amazons didn't have the spy plot but iirc another book in the series did? Or have I dreamt that? Honestly the plot was ringing bells this afternoon with people breaking into Captain Flints houseboat.

JasperDamerel · 22/08/2016 16:54

I think they brought in elements of Arthur Ransome's own life.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/08/2016 16:56

No spy plots in Ransome, though Ransome himself may have been involved in spying in the days after the Russian revolution.
The break in at the houseboat is part of the original book. Titty sees some men burying a box the night of the war with the Amazons. She guesses it's treasure, and for Captain Flint it is - the book he has been working on with his diaries, which the burglars took assuming it must be valuables because it's in a locked box.

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ineedaholidaynow · 22/08/2016 16:57

Captain Flint's houseboat was broken into in Swallows and Amazons but they stole his typewriter and manuscript (was writing his memoirs I seem to remember) which were in a chest.

Arthur Ransome had links to Russia

Witchend · 22/08/2016 17:12

I've just watched it with 9yo ds.

It's an excellent WWII spy story. Just please don't call it S&A. Ds loved it-but he loves WWII spy stories (although apparently the plane is a 1950s seaplane. he was thoroughly unimpressed by that)

Spoilers below if you don't want to see them.

The Walkers: John, I actually quite liked, although he is way too old. Only thing is he can't sail. Hmm and he would definitely not have run from throwing the stone-he'd have owned up straight away (thought exactly the same thing with the cricket ball in The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe)
Susan was totally wrong. She's nagging at John, quarrelling with him, and not only can't cook, but says she can't too, and impression is she doesn't want to. She's also way too old. And they clearly show they don't like pemmican (which should say bully beef/spam on the tin I think)
Titty/Tatty: name bothered me very little as it was hardly used. I think if I hadn't heard beforehand I wouldn't have noticed. Quite well done, with mostly reasonable characterisation. Age wise about right, but she should be the linchpin of the story and she isn't. A couple of times when she was wrong-sulks when told she can't use matches (in the book only Roger can't) and that was a totally unnecessary change. And when she goes all panicky at the charcoal burners.
Roger: I preferred his character to the book one who always seemed a bit moany and expecting everyone else to pander to him. Well done.

Nancy and Peggy were both too old, and looked like they'd had a 1980s perm. I think it was meant to make them look like sisters, but it didn't. I liked Peggy though. She was the right mixture of trying to stay aloof and wanting to make friends.
Nancy was unpleasant. Not hearty but just sounds unpleasant. If she'd been about 11/12yo I think her attitude could have got away with it. Cross because they'd taken over the island works, but at the age she looks you kind of think "grow up, you know you can't lay claim to it." In the era she was in, and the age she clearly was, she'd have been out working probably!

There were a number of characters from the book that had been made much less pleasant:
Susan and Nancy I've covered. But also Mrs Walker was not a loving mother and sister. She's meant to be fun loving-you can see she'd like to be out with the Amazons so can't properly disapprove of them. Mrs. Jackson has also been made much less pleasant. Totally disapproving of the Walkers and all they do. I think Mr. Jackson's character was taken from Mr Dixon's too (Winter Holiday) The charcoal burners were less pleasant too.

Uncle Jim/Captain Flint was good. I liked the change to him. he was suitably grumpy going to friendly. Incompetent as a spy though-surely he'd have checked he wasn't going to be followed when he was going to send a telegram to his superior and definitely wouldn't have left any risk that the PO lady would leave it on the side for the Russians to see.

Film: First bit was too slow. Several unnecessary scenes. Both items overboard were totally unnecessary and took away from the plot. Roger swimming also seemed a strange addition. Almost as though they thought "oh we have to show we'd followed health and safety" or maybe "oops we need another few minutes on the film, what can we shove in."
Running away from the Amazons was wrong-and they wouldn't have left Roger behind. Susan wouldn't have anyway.
Too many thunder storms too. There should have been glorious sunshine most of the time. They spent more time in the rain than sun I think!
I liked the bit in Rio-another unnecessary bit where Roger goes into the Harbour Master's Office and is told to go away, but I liked the carnival and the business.
The spy bits, if you ignore that they shouldn't be there (!) are good. Not convinced by the preventing the plane from going as I think it would either have tipped the plane up or snapped the rope. I suspect the latter. But I may be wrong.
Could have done with a proper sea battle against Captain Flint and a good scene at the end. The end felt very rushed.

Not a patch on the 1974 one. However if you pretend it's not S&A it's a good story.

RiverTam · 22/08/2016 17:18

Am I the only person who thinks its a bit twattish slagging off a film that lots of people will be planning to see (and will have booked tickets to see)?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/08/2016 17:26

Excellent summary Witchend, I agree with pretty much everything you have said about the characters.
Dh also said that the seaplane is 20 years out and that the action sequence was implausible because seaplanes just don't have that much power. The silliest bit for me there was John wasting time trying to untie the rope before he finally thinks of cutting it using Daddy's Symbolic Penknife. It's so immediately obvious you can't untie a rope under tension, it makes him look very klutzy to try.
Re Captain Flint being the world's most incompetent spy, surely the worst thing he does is to have hung on to the top secret information rather than handing it over to his superiors the moment he got back to England?

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PikachuSayBoo · 22/08/2016 17:32

I thought Nancy's hair in particular was awful. Bleached blonde with dark eyebrows. The acting from her was a bit One dimensional but I thought the Walker kids all acted well.

What's the actress who played Mrs Walker been in before?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/08/2016 17:36

Kelly Macdonald? She was in Trainspotting and she was the voice of Merida in Brave.

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Blu · 22/08/2016 17:38

Hmm. Having not seen the new film, I am a bit surprised by some things, though might have got it wrong.

The whole point about Captain Flint is that he is a perfectly ordinary man minding his own business, and that the S&A weave a fiction around him to fit their game and adventure. He shouldn't REALLY be a spy! Ditto Rio - there shouldn't REALLY be a carnival - it's just a busy place they visit to visit the chandlers and get ices and 'grog'. And call Rio because they have looked at maps of the Americas.

I thought Roger is learning to swim in the book? He has practice sessions and learns?

Witchend · 22/08/2016 17:54

Blu-he does have lessons and gets a knife when he can manage to swim 5(?) strokes for Mrs Walker, after he's arrived at the island.

SPOILER
In the film he's told he can't go because he can't swim so he shows he can swim before he goes. Not a learning to swim scene, which would make more sense. Having been told he can't go because he can't swim he manages to swim an amazing distance out to Susan for someone who couldn't swim before.