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Jimmy Saville legal loophole that lets child rapists off

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KindCompassion · 16/10/2025 23:40

Last year I went to the police because I was raped as a 15 year old in 1999. Because he can only be punished by the laws at the time, he cannot be charged with rape because it had to be reported within 12 months, as per the 1956 Sexual Offences Act. If I had been older or younger or a man then he could have been charged with rape.
I am absolutely traumatised by this.

Many of Jimmy Saville’s victims were in this demographic of 13-15 year old girls and I bet he knew full well that if 12 months passed he was home and dry. This is why I call it the Jimmy Saville loophole.

I miraculously got an amendment to the law tabled in the House of Commons in June by Liz Jarvis MP (not my own Labour minister MP who is useless) but they spent more time listening to a Tory whinge about how long it takes to get a shot gun license and they never debated it. I went to the public gallery to watch and my expensive water bottle was stolen when in the care of the Doorkeepers. I had to threaten to sue them to get them to pay me back.

I have written to the Lords who previously talked about this. No response.

I have written to Baroness Casey with my finest fountain pen to ask that this loophole is closed and had no reply. She did the grooming gang review this year that recommended changes to the law to protect teenage girls. She didn’t even include in her report that pre 2004 rapes have this procedural limitation.

I got a reply from Sarah Sackman MP, the Minister in charge. She called what happened as having ‘factual consent’ which as a woman I find a disgusting way to refer to rape.

The Guardian have previously written an article about it. I even wrote to the Daily Mail for help and Nigel Farage because apparently it’s the ECHR which stops the law from being changed to get my justice.

I even wrote to the King, whose secretary did reply but it was useless.

Let’s not even get started on the fact he can’t even be sued now for his assault, like almost every other assault can be sued in civil courts. So if he inherits lots of money from his parents I cannot get it off him.

I am at a complete and utter loss at what to do. There will be thousands of 13-15 year old girls raped between 1956 and 2004 when the new law came into effect, maybe even someone else reading this.

The only people I’ve found who actually care are the Liberal Democrats.

In addition to this, because the man was my brother, my parents and other brother have taken his side, despite admitting that they know I’m telling the truth. I have no blood family now other than my beautiful baby daughter.

I can’t speak to any of the charities that support survivors of sexual abuse because they don’t want to talk to anyone with an active case (they may charge him with a lesser crime).

The police don’t want me to post about this to my large LinkedIn connections in case it is used by the defence as attempting to “prejudice the jury” despite me using a different name professionally.

Oh, and I did try to report within 12 months but the police fobbed me off at the time.

I believe this is the biggest miscarriage of justice in British legal history, dwarfing the post office scandal for numbers of victims (who can’t even be counted if they even went to the police).

The world is a truly horrible place that protects child rapists and I am deeply despairing.

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mamagogo1 · 18/10/2025 13:45

The law does allow rape to be the charge for 13-15 year olds it’s just the crown prosecution service or whoever charged people at the time opted for the lower level charge as the burden of proof would be lower it seems. None of my personal experience is pre 2003 though

KindCompassion · 18/10/2025 15:15

@mamagogo1 sorry I’m afraid you’re wrong. The laws is explicit for pre 2004 rapes. No charging for the rape of 13-15 year olds. Nothing to do with police or CPS decisions. It’s perverse and unbelievable.

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ScrollingLeaves · 18/10/2025 17:38

KindCompassion · 18/10/2025 13:42

Nope. Literally no one cares about this. Look what happened with the post office - far fewer victims, and still took decades.
There is no distinction in the law for ' she consented' from 'she fought for her life' as I did. The crime just cannot be brought to court now.

We victims are silenced by shame that we do not own, so who would join a facebook group for this and organise?

@GreenGodiva I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you too, and that they took it no further. It's disgusting that you didn't get justice.

I am very sorry @KindCompassion for being insensitive about a possible Facebook page.

I had been wondering because if others in your position became aware of each other, it might help somehow to join together to call for the law to be corrected.

KindCompassion · 18/10/2025 17:41

@ScrollingLeaves not insensitive at all - it’s a reasonable suggestion. Unfortunately we live in a country with a Criminal’s Justice System when it comes to women.

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LizzyEm · 18/10/2025 19:10

And children.

The sentences handed out for CSA, if they actually get prosecuted are bloody ridiculous.

SereneLilac · 18/10/2025 19:47

I didn't think I could be any more horrified by the lack of justice for women and girls who've been raped, but this is unreal. I'm so sorry for what you've been through, but am also in awe of your strength and persistence in pursuing this issue. And every time I hear of families closing rank like this it makes me despair. I know someone who, with the help of a cousin, managed to get a prolific pdf in their family put away, and is now shunned by her family. Mad. 'Shaming the family name' !!! Sending lots of love and support ❤️❤️❤️

KindCompassion · 18/10/2025 20:26

@SereneLilac it is remarkably common. I asked my grandfather why he never intervened and he said he didn’t want to interfere in another man’s family. He was a head teacher.
Home sexual abuse is the very worst kind. Grooming gangs are terrible but I bet this is a far bigger issue that everyone ignores.

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KindCompassion · 19/10/2025 18:10

Does anyone have any ideas on who else I might be able to contact for help?

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Worriedaboutrapecourts · 19/10/2025 18:42

I can’t speak to any of the charities that support survivors of sexual abuse because they don’t want to talk to anyone with an active case (they may charge him with a lesser crime).

I've re-read your OP @KindCompassion and find this astonishing to say the least. Surely one of the purposes of these charities is to support women and girls when they're going through reporting the rape(s) and if that goes any further, no matter what the timescale. They can't just stop their support at the start of the reporting process, surely?

MaggieBsBoat · 19/10/2025 18:50

Oh OP. This applies to me. It makes me so angry that I cannot breathe. Thank you for fighting for all of us. I need to think about how I can do something.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/10/2025 22:35

KindCompassion · 19/10/2025 18:10

Does anyone have any ideas on who else I might be able to contact for help?

I already suggested Channel 4 but didn’t think to particularly mention Cathy Newman of Channel 4 who is always the one of the team to speak to survivors in abuse cases. She was involved with the Justin Welby case for example and it is starting to come across as if they are promoting this as a role for her.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/10/2025 22:44

https://www.appgsurvivorscsa.co.uk/

APPG Adult Survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse.
The All-Party
Parliamentary Group works to highlight the needs of adult survivors of child sexual abuse across the country, and to give a voice to their concerns in Parliament.

APPG Adult Survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse.

   

https://www.appgsurvivorscsa.co.uk

dontcomeatme · 19/10/2025 22:57

I was raped before 2004. This is horrendous. I've never had the courage to come forward like yourself, but its heartbreaking to realise they wouldn't do anything anyway. I hope you manage to win this fight OP 💐 I'm sorry for what happened to you x

AutumnAllTheWay · 19/10/2025 22:58

I was raped in the most awful of ways by my mum's cousin and his friend between 14 and 16.

Orally and anally as well as vaginally. I haf little understanding of what was happening and was from a dysfunctional family (to say the least).

I've never had the courage to speak up about it (although I ended up pregnant at 15, which ended in miscarriage).

After hearing this, im so glad I didnt. It would've been terrible.

Im with you tho, fighting and protesting. In awe of your courage.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/10/2025 23:09

@MaggieBsBoat
@dontcomeatme
@AutumnAllTheWay
💐💐💐

I am so very sorry. The impunity of the rapists is an outrage. That thus could happen to little girls is an outrage.

LizzyEm · 19/10/2025 23:43

KindCompassion · 19/10/2025 18:10

Does anyone have any ideas on who else I might be able to contact for help?

Have you contacted Maggie Oliver?

AutumnAllTheWay · 19/10/2025 23:54

ScrollingLeaves · 19/10/2025 23:09

@MaggieBsBoat
@dontcomeatme
@AutumnAllTheWay
💐💐💐

I am so very sorry. The impunity of the rapists is an outrage. That thus could happen to little girls is an outrage.

Thankyou.

Even the tiniest of acknowledgement means so much.

And im sorry if im derailing.

This thread is for those fighting for justice to be done

ThatCalmFinch · 20/10/2025 00:00

You are so brave OP, I was groomed and raped at 14 by a man in his 40's, I don't know if / how I should report it as he still has contact with young teenage girls. When I was 14/15/16 rape was normalised.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 20/10/2025 00:03

I am so very sorry about what happened to you, OP. It sounds like everyone - your family, the state, society as a whole - has let you down. I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions for you, but I admire your courage in trying to bring this issue to light. I had no idea.

MaggieBsBoat · 20/10/2025 03:18

ScrollingLeaves · 19/10/2025 23:09

@MaggieBsBoat
@dontcomeatme
@AutumnAllTheWay
💐💐💐

I am so very sorry. The impunity of the rapists is an outrage. That thus could happen to little girls is an outrage.

Thank you.
Thank you.

I‘m lying here awake thinking through things and reading your words means so much.
Thank you @KindCompassion for your strength. I am so sorry for your experiences.

KindCompassion · 20/10/2025 05:04

LizzyEm · 19/10/2025 23:43

Have you contacted Maggie Oliver?

Yes - they told me they couldn’t talk to me about my case, only how I felt. They also said they wouldn’t help me try to end this loophole.

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KindCompassion · 20/10/2025 05:14

@MaggieBsBoat
@dontcomeatme
@AutumnAllTheWay
@siliconcover

I’m so sorry that you’ve also suffered at the hands of evil men. I’m also really sorry that you’ve found out this way that the State effectively sanction what they did to you.

It took me a while after finding out to really process what this meant and why, and to start getting apoplectically angry about it.

Feel free to PM me if you want.

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ScrollingLeaves · 20/10/2025 09:55

I have just seen that Rape Crisis seems unaware of this extraordinary loophole in the law affecting raped little girls 13-16 before 2004.

Even if they say ,’You can report’, if all that happens is that a girl or women reports the rape but is then effectively ignored, that too will be a dreadful experience compounding the powerlessness of the rape.

No matter when it happened, you can still make a report to the police. There is no time limit on reporting sexual offences such as rape and sexual assault.
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/it-happened-some-time-ago/

I could not find the Rape Crisis contact but will find it and write in to see what they say.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/10/2025 13:13

Hello @KindCompassion I wrote to the only email address I could find on the Rape Crisis site which I could find. It is not the right department but I asked if it could be passed on. I quoted parts of the Guardian article and gave the link and also the quote from them [Rape Crisis] saying it is never too late to report.

I suddenly wondered if it might be worth writing to the person who wrote the Guardian article you posted? She might have been touch with some helpful people who could be re-contacted? The thing is to try to fan any dying embers of interest and not let anyone ignore this.

Another person who has been involved with Rape centres is JK Rowling. In her case it was originally because of the injustice of making raped girls and women have to share rape crisis premises with males ( identifying as women) or even be counselled by such a male. But I think she, as a survivor of domestic abuse, cares about all injustices to women and girls, and has a a way with putting injustice into words.

The journalist Julie Bindel would care.

The ‘Under-Secretary of State for Violence Against Women and Girls’ is Jess Phillips MP

Women’s Aid
https://womensaid.org.uk/
works against domestic violence and abuse. What could be greater ‘domestic violence and abuse’ than the rape of little girls 13-16 by older family members and having no justice pre 2004 if they did not report in time?

In March 2024 there was a Times article:
“Revealed: the hidden crime of sibling sexual abuse. “
If you look up ‘archive ph’ you can put this title into the lower box and it should come up.

“The family member most likely to sexually abuse a child in Britain is their brother or sister. Decca Aitkenhead meets the survivors speaking out after decades of silence. Contains graphic descriptions”

It mentions:
“Britain’s <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/RjuYi/www.sarsas.org.uk/sibling-sexual-abuse-information-and-resources/national-sibling-sexual-abuse-conference-2022/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">first national SSA conference took place online two years ago, organised by Rape Crisis.”

“National Organisation for the Treatment of Abuse”
(Being ignored by the law compounds lack of healing.)

“Lucy Faithfull Foundation, a charity that works to prevent child sexual abuse.”
(Perhaps this foundation would be interested to hear about this issue)

”In the past three years a new international organisation, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/RjuYi/www.siblingsexualtrauma.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">5WAVES.org, has begun supporting families affected by it all over the world. A Scottish charity, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/RjuYi/www.thrivingsurvivors.co.uk/sibling-services" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thriving Survivors, works with families in the UK. <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/RjuYi/www.ted.com/talks/jane_epstein_giving_voice_to_sibling_sexual_abuse" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TEDx has hosted a talk, Radio 4 has broadcast a documentary, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/RjuYi/www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00187rz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sibling Sexual Abuse: The Last Taboo?, only last week the Channel 4 soap opera Hollyoaks began a storyline about SSA. There is a regular podcast at <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/RjuYi/www.siblingstoo.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SiblingsToo.com, “
(What about telling ‘Woman’s Hour’ about the legal loop-hole?)

ScrollingLeaves · 20/10/2025 13:19

So sorry, @KindCompassion all those links are not working as I was pasting excerpts from the archive version of the Times article. But they should work if you get on the actual archive yourself, or just copy out the names into Google.

( This is to try to find additional possible contacts regarding the law.)