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Could chemically induced early puberty be making girls more vulnerable to predators?

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AliasGrace47 · 30/05/2025 17:02

I'm not particularly keen on Walt Bismarck : he's a former white nationalist & seems pretty sexist still in many ways. But I follow his Substack as amid unpleasantness there are some genuine points. This is one : is early puberty making girls more vulnerable to predatory men, and could this be feeding into the rise in traumatised girls becoming trans?

The point about early puberty is true, I think, and the chemical reasons for that are def worrying. It's also true that dads not being around can exacerbate early puberty, though ofc this can't always be remedied. Anecdotally, my mum got her periods at 14, as did most of her friends. I started mine at 10, and most of my Year 7 class had them before the year was out. This is more common nearly everywhere, I think. My dad wasn't around, but I did have a close relationship w my mum, which is supposed to delay it..
Most of my friends had good relationships w both parents, yet clearly chemicals or whatever it is were a bigger influence.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.waltbismarck.com/p/girls-are-going-through-puberty-too&ved=2ahUKEwihyP-6xsuNAxUKWUEAHRFuPHkQFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3araIQmq0B69Ddo8nF8IYw

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 30/05/2025 18:03

God he's a prick. Hatchet faced school marm? "retarded low openness bigots"

I'm not sure what his point is but from first glance he's throwing a hot potato onto women's laps and telling them to deal with a male problem.

Women complain about being sexualised from an early age. That's correct and that's a male problem.

Girls are turning trans at an alarming rate because they can't cope with being sexualised; yes and many transmen are autistic.

I knew a trans man years ago and from his explanation it was mostly because of trauma caused by men. He felt safer presenting as male.

The majority of transmen aren't getting mastectomies as ten year olds; they're adults. So it's obviously not because they're too young to cope with being sexualised.

AliasGrace47 · 30/05/2025 18:10

Bismarck's unsavoury values are clear when he essentially states, in both the article and the comments, that men being predatory to postpubescent girls is natural, change can't be expected, so women need to protect them...😡

As we all agree, I expect, or nearly all : there is no excuse for an adult man leering or worse at teenage girl. Early puberty 11yos or whatever do not generally look teenage. Most look the age they are, and dress and act that age. I very rarely believe that men think they are 16 or whatever (ofc this behaviour wouldn't be OK even if they did). And there is no excuse for any teen boy harassing any girl of whatever age.

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Ketzele · 30/05/2025 18:20

I'm not going to read the article because I know I won't like it! But on your general point: my dd had precocious puberty, and as I was reading up on it I learned that girls with pp are more likely to be sexually abused, though there didn't seem to be much evidence on cause and effect.

Most of us know that street harassment really swings in for girls at secondary school, which is partly because they have hit puberty and partly because they are out unaccompanied. There are an enormous number of men out there who are not actually paedophiles, but who see any developing secondary sex characteristics as a label reading 'fair game'. So yes, I think earlier puberty means more sexual harassment and SA.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 30/05/2025 18:30

Girls are being sexualised at younger and younger ages and it's not because of puberty. There are toddler high heels, thongs, padded bras and T shirt slogans with saucy slogans for young children.

I watched the Jon Benet Ramsey documentary last night and those 6 year old girls at the beauty pageants were very sexualised. It was repulsive.

I made a complaint to the BBC because they were promoting Sabrina Carpenter on CBeebies. She simulates sex on stage FFS.

AliasGrace47 · 31/05/2025 00:02

But I think about this in a similar way to rape : some men will be predatory to young girls and women no matter how they dress or when they had puberty. Etc And the blame for abuse is always on the abuser. But drink does make women more vulnerable, so I think we should encourage people in general to stay sober while doing whatever we can to bring rapists to justice and clamp down on rape.

Similarly, I think we should do whatever we can to keep girls in early puberty safe while clamping down on any creepy behaviour from older men to young girls

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AliasGrace47 · 31/05/2025 00:34

Here's the gruesome Mr Bismarck's article in full ;

One thing I’ve noticed talking to various female friends / girlfriends over the years is that basically all of them complain about having been sexualized as a preteen girl in a very traumatic way. Usually these stories involve a sleepover / pool party at a friend’s house and creepy behavior from said friend’s dad or older brother. The other big one is being ogled or catcalled at Target or something.

I am convinced that this phenomenon is mostly responsible for the fear and contempt modern women increasingly have for male sexuality (i.e. the rise of sex negative feminism among Zoomer women). I also suspect it to be the primary cause of the massively inflated rates of transgender identification among adolescent girls.

It seems very obvious to me what is happening here.Girls are getting their periods and developing secondary sexual characteristics (boobs) 1-3 years earlier than they “should be” biologically. But they can’t psychologically handle the stresses of incipient womanhood (menstruation, intrasexual competition, sexual attention from men) because they still have the mind of a little girl.
Recent study by Population Association of America noted a significant decline in the age at menarche worldwide, which was observed irrespective of socioeconomic status, race or ethnicity.
As you can see, the decrease has started to level off somewhat, but clearly hasn’t abated, despite the median American having been in a state of nutritional post-scarcity for decades now.

This is a big deal, because age of menarche is highly correlated with age of breast development and the onset of other dimorphic characteristics that will cause men and female peers to start treating you very differently:

I don’t think this phenomenon has a single cause, and suspect it to be overdetermined by various diseases of modernity—likely some combination of environmental endocrine disruptors, a sedentary lifestyle, a more unstable social ecology, fatherlessness, and increased exposure to pornographic material as young children.

Whatever the cause, girls are developing adolescent bodies alongside basically childlike minds and this is causing enormous trauma on a civilizational scale.

And that’s why you get so many teenagers these days wanting to cut their boobs off:

It’s also why so many adult Zoomer women are increasingly disinterested in sex and are becoming femcels, political lesbians, or sex negative Dworkinites. This is actually an entirely reasonable response to the sort of experiences a girl will have after growing boobs 2-3 years too early.

My goal in writing this piece is to get female Substackers to write about this issue and spread awareness using a style of rhetoric that will appeal to more normie women (something I am very bad at and not interested in optimizing for).

This really needs to be addressed as a feminist issue—women have to lead the discussion. Normal people are too stupid and bigoted to let a man express any opinion on something as sensitive as this. The only reason I’m willing to start the discussion is that I’m incredibly autistic and disagreeable.

But most men aren’t going to touch this with a ten foot pole, because whenever you point out this phenomenon around normies you inevitably get some hatchet-faced schoolmarm going “WELL MEN SHOULDN’T BE LOOKING AT YOUNG GIRLS ANYWAY” and implying you’re a pedophile for even talking about this. Men are extremely afraid of being called pedophiles, so this shuts down all discussion.

Most of these women are simply retarded low openness bigots, but some are just reacting to their own adolescent trauma in an unproductive way, and I have a lot of sympathy for them. But this kind of censorious impulse is incredibly toxic and doesn’t help young girls at all. When trying to solve difficult social problems on the ground we must speak candidly about the world that actually exists, not the world that should be.

A lot of girls complain about creepy looks from their friend’s dad at a pool party. Suspiciously few of them wonder if anyone says the same thing about their own dad.If they did I think they’d start approaching this from a more constructive direction.

Unfortunately, normies don’t really care about arguments and facts. They care about personal credibility and a position’s prestige coding.

Given this reality, I recognized very early on that I need to get women publicly endorsing this line of inquiry and adding their perspective.

In Episode 6 I spoke with Sai from Shəlaka Uvach, who offered some expert-level scientific insight on the chemical / social causes of early puberty.

She also presented a compelling explanation for how missing out on a pre-pubescent (but relatively mentally mature) adolescence prevents girls from developing a nonsexual intimacy with boys and feeling comfy in male spaces.

A lot of the sex ed literature we were given as kids said that girls get their period between 14-16, even though all the girls around us got it from 11-13.

Finally, in Episode 12 I spoke with the sex therapist Raven Connolly, who pointed out that early puberty produces many negative social consequences for young girls, and suggested that a degree of adolescent sex segregation might be an interim solution.

Raven emphasized the importance of effective parental communication during female adolescence, and highlighted the extreme psychological difficulty of raising an attractive teenage daughter.

Her comments about the large modern age gap between mothers and daughters (and the power dynamic that often emerges from this) are especially fascinating:

I don’t pretend to have any perfect solution to this issue. Neutralizing environmental endocrine disruptors is prohibitively difficult at this point, and it seems like puberty blockers are too risky. I also don’t want to spend too much time talking about this myself, because it’s just kind of a weird thing for a man to focus on.

But it really bothers me that more women aren’t talking about this, because I see it as an incredibly salient feminist issue that is causing an enormous amount of trauma to young girls on the ground and is poisoning relations between the sexes.

So to all the women reading this: please fucking write about this topicTo all the men reading this: please send this article to all the rational and high openness women in your life who will give it a thoughtful read. It is civilizationally vital that we mainstream this conversation, but the only way that’s going to happen is if we can get the sheilas talking about it amongst themselves.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 31/05/2025 03:22

AliasGrace47 · 31/05/2025 00:02

But I think about this in a similar way to rape : some men will be predatory to young girls and women no matter how they dress or when they had puberty. Etc And the blame for abuse is always on the abuser. But drink does make women more vulnerable, so I think we should encourage people in general to stay sober while doing whatever we can to bring rapists to justice and clamp down on rape.

Similarly, I think we should do whatever we can to keep girls in early puberty safe while clamping down on any creepy behaviour from older men to young girls

The best way of keeping girls safe from sexual predators is to come down hard on sexual predators.

Men are less likely to predate if they know they'll be punished. In countries where rape is used as a form of punishment, marital rape is legal and women are blamed, sexual assault is sky high.

At the moment, rape convictions are around 2% in the UK. That's partly because of misogyny and rape myths. It's partly because our judiciary isn't functioning properly.

potpourree · 31/05/2025 04:08

I am convinced that this phenomenon is mostly responsible for the fear and contempt modern women increasingly have for male sexuality (i.e. the rise of sex negative feminism among Zoomer women)

What a twat.
Men behaving contemptibly is mostly responsible for women having contempt for that behaviour, yes perhaps.

Conflating that behaviour with all male sexuality is a rather glaring attempt at a sleight of hand, there.

Couldn't read past that as I can't assume honesty based on that.

potpourree · 31/05/2025 04:12

Whatever the cause, girls are developing adolescent bodies alongside basically childlike minds and this is causing enormous trauma on a civilizational scale.

This is still the case whether it happens at 10 or 13. What a weird argument. He seems to think that it's "as it should be biologically" at the later age, suggesting he thinks that women are ok to engage in sexual behaviour then, but not at 10.

Ghht · 31/05/2025 04:35

I was 12 about 15 years ago. I looked very childlike and skinny at that age and I didn’t start my periods until age 14, I had barely any signs of puberty until then. The first time I got cat called from a moving vehicle while waking up the road was when I was 12 and this happened regularly from this age until slowing to a stop by age 17 (nothing since in nearly 10 years on the same road as an adult).

That’s my experience and it’s grim to think of why exactly men only seemed interested in doing this when I was a pre-teen/teen girl.

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