Will feminism be a short lived chapter in history?

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I've been Looking at the demographic trends around the world it seems as though the democratic, secular countries where women are free to work, get an education and control their fertility are significantly reducing in population and failing compared to the societies that have a patriarchal system where women do not work, marry young and have less education and more children, they are the societies that are expanding.

For instance Japan today has 123.1 million people, this will drop off to 80/100 million by 2060.The Japanese National Institute of Population Research indicate that Japan's population could be as low as 62 people!!! by the year 3000 if the trajectory continues.
Korea's population is estimated to drop from 51.68 million to 20 million by 2100.China (not democratic but also not religious) current population of 1.4 billion is potentially going to fall below 800 million by the end of the century- nearly halved in 75 years.
In 2023, the fertility rate in England and Wales is now 1.44 children per woman, the lowest level on record and it's the same story accross Europe.

There are a lot of economic factors that cause a population drop and incentivise not having children - The Welfare State takes care of us in old age, not our younger family members. Child labour has been abolished which was previously an economic incentive. Children can help with farm labour whereas they are a cost liability in the urban environment-
For instance in the USA The Amish population of agrarian farmers where it is a benifit to have children at the moment the population is around 500,00 - this is roughly doubling every 20 years, so projected to reach around 3 million by 3050.

The Urban environment is not the whole story however as religious populations that also live within the urban environment continue having larger families despite the costs and difficulties. The Catholic population is slowly but steadily growing worldwide (not in Europe though) to 1.406 billion - increasing 1.15%. Muslim communities continue to have higher family numbers in the UK (3 per woman) as our own population decline continues.
A study by ResearchGate identified several countries in Europe where the Muslim population could reach a majority status between 2085 and 2215, including Cyprus (2085), Sweden (2125), France (2135), Greece (2135), Belgium (2140), Bulgaria (2140), Italy (2175), Luxembourg (2175), Slovenia (2190), Switzerland (2195), Ireland (2200), and Lithuania (2215) and the UK (2180).

The Yiddish speaking ultra orthadox Haredi Jews around the world are about 14% of Jewish people but predicted to rise to 23% by 2040 and 2065 they will be 40%-50% in Israel as they have on average 6.6 children.

I'm not advocating for women to have less choices but just observing that women staying in education during our most fertile years- 18-23 and then going into the workforce, having a career and trying to juggle family life is not set up for having large families. I don't have any answers. I personally have benefited from feminism, I work and I limited my family size to two, I went to University. I'm just observing what the trend might be for women in the next few generations.

If feminism exists in mainly democratic westernised societies and they eventually become very small and insignificant because of a collapse in the long term viability of sustainable birth rates then the world will return to the 'religious society model' because that is all that will be left within a few generations. Feminism can't be seen as a success in that case?

When the ultra-Orthodox are the majority

When will European Muslim population be majority and inwhich country?Pierre Rostan and Alexandra RostanHigher Colleges of Technology, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates

Are you a far right activist? That's the only reason you'll be spouting conspiracy theories about 4m people taking over the UK; cultural nationalism. It's strange because the far right don't believe in women's rights and tend towards toxic masculinity.

Well, isn't Muhammed the most popular name in England and Wales currently?

'British non white' is the largest demographic in the <20s age group in my city and quite a few others. UK Muslims also have a fertility rate of 3.0 children to our 1.8. It's not inconceivable that in a few decades things will look very different.

I've no issue with anybody in particular. I had breakfast with my mate (shock horror a Muslim) on Ladypool road today - was the only white person in there. I went to a Ghanaian 40th birthday party about a month ago. I work in a much more diverse environment than the average office worker does. However, if 50% of white Brits answered in surveys that gay people should be imprisoned the left would be up in arms. If it's a view expressed by a minority group however they seem to stare at their feet awkwardly and say nothing.

Like when 1200 women were sexually assaulted in one night in Germany? Where were all the feminists then?

So you are a far right activist. I'll take your concern for women's rights with a pinch of salt.

You're not the smartest are you? 😂

People like you are why we'll end up with Reform in power.

Goosestep off, no one's interested.

Speak for yourself. You're the only one complaining.

It's 3am Himmler. I doubt anyone is silly enough to think some bigot has their best interests at heart.

1. Feminism (i.e movements for women’s equity / equality) have been around for centuries, heck millenia
2. The movement is global, it is not unique to Western democracies
3. I have no idea why you cited SoKo and Japan as both have awful issues with gender inequality
4. This whole post (especially the reference to women spending their most fertile years in education) just seems to be a trojan horse for another argument (i.e greater female autonomy being a bad thing).

There is no reason to think that even if women had children earlier that they would have large families. (And it ignores - with whom are they meant to have children?)

Why would you think only people who are middle class and white care about feminism and women’s rights?

Women there can work and get an education.They do not have arranged marriage and they can own property.

That’s a fairly low bar. This is also true in many societies that are viewed, generally as being bad places to be a woman (also you need to clarify if you mean arranged or forced.)

I think absolutely. We've enjoyed a brief window of freedom and empowermentfor women (many will say we aren't empowered to which I reply crack a history or world politics books my friend).

Educated and empowered women have fewer kids because a lot of women don't want to spend their lives that way. Speaking for myself I'd only have bred if raised in a society where I needed to live off a man (not so long ago in the past and I'm sure near in the future).

Enjoy your lives because our old age is not going to be fun I think.