Lily Philips on Triggernometry

[JamieCannister]

I can't see a thread anywhere on mumsnet, so why not and why not here?

Background - woman has sex with 101 men in a day for fame, money and the sex (if you believe her). Triggernometry guys interview her for over an hour.

What did everyone make of the interview? Has anyone watched it?

I watched the first half, give or take, and found it a difficult watch. I found it pretty disgusting and very boring. I did not trust that she was being honest, and even if she was I cannot see how listening to her benefits anyone. I thought KK and FF did OK, nothing more.

I feel they had her on because all publicity is good publicity, or because it would be interesting. Either way I think they were wrong... but on the other hand I support their efforts to speak seriously in long form with all sorts of people.~

Was there anything of note in the second half?

If you don't like Lily Phillips, don't go googling Bonnie Blue!

I think you misrepresent me and make some points I disagree with.

I have not made my mind up about her, I have made my mind up about porn and sex work and that having sex with 101 men in a day is disgusting.

I think that I have a reasonable insight into how humans think and I think that it is entirely reasonable to believe that most men and women think it is disgusting to have sex with 101 people in a day. If you can prove my gut feel wrong then please do, otherwise I will carry on believing my gut feel is correct.

I am NOT assuming she has trauma. Part of the reason I am watching is to try to work it out for sure. Looking at her face at the end of the documentary does lead me to conclude that she probably has trauma. I have not assumed, I have concluded probably based on the evidence, and I have admitted I might be mistaken.

So if a drug addict keeps taking drugs, or a anorexic keeps starving herself that proves that there is no trauma? Really?

I am not assuming that she is not nice, I believe her to be a traumatized person doing disgusting things that make her life and wider society worse. She seems quite nice as a person otherwise.* *

I did not say she'll never meet someone or have children - but I do believe quite strongly that she is going to find it harder to find a good man, and have a long and happy marriage with decent kids than if she had not done this.

I do not for one second believe a thread on the feminist board at mumsnet is going to be enriching her at all, let alone in any sort of significant way compared to her appearing on all sort of media.

It’s not the fact that LP is rubbish at finance, but just that her mother is present and participating in all this. The fact that it’s portrayed as an entirely professional arrangement is even more disturbing.
It breaks all the standards of care, safeguarding, nurture and love that is usual in a healthy mother/child relationship.

I agree with you completely. Obviously if her mum had pressured her into it (which she many have for all we know for sure) then that is horrific. But simply helping facilitate the money side for your sex worker daughter is not normal at all. I could not be friends with the mum if all she was doing was the finance on content between LP and her long term boyfriend (if she had one) on OF, let alone stunts like this. I was just pointing out that accoring to LP, who may not be entirely honest, her mum is simply a finance person.

@JamieCannister

I think you misrepresent me and make some points I disagree with.

I'm going on what you've written in your posts and am directly quoting you.

I have not made my mind up about her, I have made my mind up about porn and sex work and that having sex with 101 men in a day is disgusting.

You said she was a slut and any man would go off to find someone nice. Someone without trauma and mental health problems.

You find her so disgusting you're watching interviews with her.

I think that I have a reasonable insight into how humans think and I think that it is entirely reasonable to believe that most men and women think it is disgusting to have sex with 101 people in a day. If you can prove my gut feel wrong then please do, otherwise I will carry on believing my gut feel is correct.

I have a gut feeling that most people don't really care. I will carry on believing that until you prove my gut feeling wrong.

I am NOT assuming she has trauma.

I fear that he soon would see the underlying signs of trauma or other mental health issues and walk away

Part of the reason I am watching is to try to work it out for sure.

Looking at her face at the end of the documentary does lead me to conclude that she probably has trauma. I have not assumed, I have concluded probably based on the evidence, and I have admitted I might be mistaken.

You're acting as though someone's facial expressions are conclusive evidence of their history and mental health. They're not.

I am not assuming that she is not nice, I believe her to be a traumatized person doing disgusting things that make her life and wider society worse. She seems quite nice as a person otherwise.* *

So you are assuming she's traumatised. You said a man would leave her to find someone nice. Reread your post.

I did not say she'll never meet someone or have children - but I do believe quite strongly that she is going to find it harder to find a good man, and have a long and happy marriage with decent kids than if she had not done this.

That's a very common assumption made about women. No one decent would want them if they don't conform to cultural norms.

I do not for one second believe a thread on the feminist board at mumsnet is going to be enriching her at all, let alone in any sort of significant way compared to her appearing on all sort of media.

This is social media and you've started a thread on her. She sells sex for cash OP. What great insights were you expecting from someone trying to drive traffic to her content?

I didn't know she was interviewed but I do now because of your thread and you've got people talking about her.

You don't come across as a feminist so I'm not sure why you posted in the feminist section.

You said she was a slut and any man would go off to find someone nice.

No - I said that she described herself as a slut (which she did), and said that in my opinion a lot of the better men in society do not wish to marry someone who has sex with 101 men in a day AND has MH issues trauma which caused the 101 men sex or resulted from it (trauma which I strongly believe she has but I am not certain of).

You find her so disgusting you're watching interviews with her.

I don't find her disgusting, I find the thought of what she did disgusting. I am allowed to be interested in her whether I find her disgusting or not, and I am definitely intersted in how FF and KK interviewed her.

I have a gut feeling that most people don't really care. I will carry on believing that until you prove my gut feeling wrong.

That is reasonable, but I think more people will believe my position to be the more reasonable one.

You're acting as though someone's facial expressions are conclusive evidence of their history and mental health. They're not.

How do you get from me saying "probably" to you interpretting that as "conclusive evidence"?

So you are assuming she's traumatised. You said a man would leave her to find someone nice. Reread your post.

No, I believe based on the evidence, but I accept I might be wrong. I am not assuming anything.

I don't think any of this is productive. Bye!

@JamieCannister It's interesting that you're writing things down and denying you're saying it.

No - I said that she described herself as a slut

You said:

I am very judgmental about a woman who allows 101 men to insert their penis inside her in a day, for cash and fame and she likes being a slut (her words, albeit paraphrased).

It doesn't matter if she said it first, you described her as a slut and have used very misogynist language about her.

and said that in my opinion a lot of the better men in society do not wish to marry someone who has sex with 101 men in a day AND has MH issues trauma which caused the 101 men sex or resulted from it (trauma which I strongly believe she has but I am not certain of).

The so called 'better' men in society use porn. She is not forcing people to watch her content and she is not forcing people to advertise her services. People seem to be lapping it up however.

You keep simultaneously saying that you're not saying she has trauma and mental health issues while saying she has trauma and mental health issues. You believe she has trauma because of her facial expressions.

I don't find her disgusting,

You said:

Tell her that she is utterly disgusting

You do find her disgusting.

but I think more people will believe my position to be the more reasonable one.

Reasonable is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

How do you get from me saying "probably" to you interpretting that as "conclusive evidence"?

Because you have stated over and over again that she has trauma and mental health issues. When asked how you know, you said you can tell by her facial expressions.

For example:

Say "we don't believe you, you're clearly deeply mentally unwell, whether the issues are with your brain itself, or trauma / abuse influcted on you.

No, I believe based on the evidence, but I accept I might be wrong. I am not assuming anything

What evidence? You've done nothing but make assumptions. You've made assumptions about her history, talking about abuse and trauma, her mental health, her relationships, whether or not she'll have children and her character.

I think I am in the vast majority for holding this view.

I think I am.

Entirely reasonable, not least my back and forth with Milo.

You said - "Yes, I agree you could have a legitimate argument, so make the argument - bring the analysis. But the comments you have been making where you address her directly, and where you call her utterly disgusting - this is not analysis - it's really personal and harsh. You're completely overshadowing your point with these attacks."

I don't think you have understood my points how I intended, so sorry if my words were not as clear as they should have been.

I posted about what people made of the interview as much as of Lily. I asked "What did everyone make of the interview?" not "What did everyone make of Lily Phillips?"

I thought the interview was OK, but I found it a difficult watch because the interview reminded me of what she did and I find myself disgusted when I'm reminded what she did. I also found it a bit boring - she did not have much to say. And I didn't find her particularly trustworthy or insightful.

I think Triggernometry did a reasonable job, but with hindsight the total lack of insight or interest means that overall they might have made a mistake in platforming her, not that I think she has built her brand by going on Triggernometry (not least as they had more pushback against her even being invited on that any other previous guest.)

I haven't got much more to say, but I am curious what others thought. Did anyone find any of it interesting? Were they right to have her on or was it a mistake? To what extent was she being honest? I have a feeling a second viewing might make me spot other things and pick up on some slivers of truth slipping through between the cracks in the wall she has built up around herself. But was it worth a first viewing, let alone a second one? Probably not.

@JamieCannister

Entirely reasonable, not least my back and forth with Milo.

Could you explain what you mean by this please?

You said - "Yes, I agree you could have a legitimate argument, so make the argument - bring the analysis. But the comments you have been making where you address her directly, and where you call her utterly disgusting - this is not analysis - it's really personal and harsh. You're completely overshadowing your point with these attacks."

No I didn't.

I don't think you have understood my points how I intended, so sorry if my words were not as clear as they should have been.

I have been quoting your words and I do understand them. I don't agree with them. That doesn't mean I lack comprehension.

I posted about what people made of the interview as much as of Lily. I asked "What did everyone make of the interview?" not "What did everyone make of Lily Phillips?"

Again, you're denying what you've said throughout the thread. You have made some acidic and very judgemental comments about her. You have called her a slut, said she's disgusting, that she's mentally ill, abused, traumatised and that a 'better' man wouldn't want her.

I thought the interview was OK, but I found it a difficult watch because the interview reminded me of what she did and I find myself disgusted when I'm reminded what she did.

If she's so repulsive, stop watching interviews with her.

I also found it a bit boring - she did not have much to say.

She's trying to drive people to her content in order to make money. She's not going to disparage what she does as it could put people off. She makes money when people subscribe to her account.

You're talking about viewing it again despite finding it boring and disgusting.

She seems nice but not the full shilling somehow. Maybe ND and her brain works different. Probably sex addiction as well.

Bonnie Blue is deliberately as outrageous as possible for clicks and unscrupulous. I struggle to see what makes Lily tick.

I find LP intriguing but I find Bonnie Blue fascinating. I follow BB on Instagram. Lily I think is going to regret the way she lives her life in coming years, she seems to be trying harder to convince herself that she is happy as opposed to the rest of us. BB? I actually think she loves her ‘job’, benefits from it immensely - her ‘follow me for the day’ posts show a happy woman who seems comfortable and at ease with what she does and, playing devils advocate, is making astronomical amounts of money, has an incredibly affluent lifestyle in an industry that is never going to stop or go away and I think at last it’s the woman that’s milking it for herself instead of a man milking it off the back of a woman.

You suspect that very accurately. Her mother ans father were apparently 'very open about sex', whatever that means in this context I hate to think... Lily was watching porn from 13. It has warped her mind.

Hopefully she will get out. Annabel Chong (of a notorious gang bang porn in the 1990s) is now a successful software developer but while traumatised from a gang rape, she was a tough cookie w a good degree. Lily seems oddly naive, despite a good education. W luck she will somehow get out & have a quiet life, rather than promoting this depressing way of life to teens.

I think it's fine to be judgemental of people. Why the obsession with not judging?

Just how extreme would a woman's behaviour need to be before you yourself started to feel judgemental?

What Lily did IS disgusting, there's nothing wrong with pointing it out. She should be called out for it, and young impressionable women (and men) should be guided by older women like us against normalising it.

@MiloMinderbinder925 So broken she immediately announced a plan to sleep with 1000 men.

She doesn't sleep with men. She has sex with them.

Thanks for the clarification.

To be honest... make love, sleep with, have sex with... I think there is an argument that "allows multiple depraved men to insert their penis into her vagina in quick succession" might be more accurate. I mean, it is "having sex", but then again we don't call rape "having sex" so I'm not sure why this should be either.

@JamieCannister I mean, it is "having sex",

That's what I said.

but then again we don't call rape "having sex" so I'm not sure why this should be either.

Rape is called sex. Specifically, it's termed "non-consensual sex."

The whole situation is disturbing and disgusting, sick, the men are vile, she is a very damaged woman and I very much doubt any decent man would want to settle down with her or the other one.

I've seen her in a few interviews where she is saying she makes £££££ on only fans, however I've noticed when she's doing some of her get ready with me videos especially if she's abroad, she's in very bog standard places, considering she's trying to portray this image of how well she's doing of OF so I don't think she's making as much bank as she wants to portray. (She's probably doing better than the majority of us but I don't think she's on a massive scale of money )

I do feel sad for her, it's just a competition on who can do the more extreme things and I think give it 1-2 years she will be forgotten about.
I do think many people buy a microphone/ set up some cameras / rent a space and all of a sudden they are 'podcasters', and get a mild following than get Lily Phillips or Bonnie blue on to get there viewership up.
And I also think certain types of men will get a huge kick out of paying £50-100 for a private session with her to see how far she is willing to go. (Not just her but many OF creators)