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Apparently there has been an increase in young men becoming regular church goers

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Lookuptotheskies · 21/04/2025 22:15

Interesting....

The writer of this piece links it to the toxic "traditional" values of the manosphere.

article

I am curious and this does make sense to me. Wondered if others suspect the same.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-m-delighted-to-see-gen-z-men-in-the-uk-flocking-back-to-church-i-just-hope-it-s-for-the-right-reasons/ar-AA1DiF3z?cvid=e53a2cbcc06f4535905975064caa3081&ei=28&ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS

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Christinapple · 26/04/2025 15:12

If this is so is it a good thing? Isn't Christianity anti-women and anti-same-sex rights?

Christinapple · 26/04/2025 15:12

Same-sex attraction rights I meant.

L353A1 · 26/04/2025 21:03

It's based on a survey commissioned by the Bible Society and they commissioned YouGov to do the survey. It has produced a very surprising result and frankly I don't believe it. I'll wait until there is some more corroborating evidence from another source, such as a more up-to-date report from the British Social Attitudes Survey. YouGov is a reputable supplier but it's always possible to produce the occasional rogue result.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/04/2025 14:50

crackedpaint · 24/04/2025 13:14

I guess it all depends on the motivation. Some may be genuinely seeking something spiritual or perhaps community and meaning in their lives and if so good luck to them.

I'm also aware however of a certain belief online in certain circles that church is where you need to go to meet a god fearing, traditional woman who is a virgin. These men regard modern women in general to be out their playing the field, riding the "cock carousel" and getting "ran through" by numerous "chads" who will sleep with them but never marry them. As a result these all women become alpha widows with uppity ideas of the kind of man they can get before finally settling for security on the verge of cronehood (about 30ish) with a "beta bucks" (a male they don't love and are not attracted to) they can dupe into raising chads child before they "divorce rape" him in the courts and take half his stuff.

Apparently they believe that by going to church and trying to pick up a young virgin girl there that you will be spared the future outlined above. As for the future of any young women who sadly end up with these men, they don't really care, women are like a domestic appliance to these men, how they feel doesn't matter.

I would hope that mothers and fathers with daughters who do attend church would be wise to and on the look out for these predatory men.

Am laughing at "the verge of cronehood (about 30)" how charming

I do like the visual of a "cock carousel" though. In fact, I'm probably going to be thinking about that all day now 😂

TheWisePlumDuck · 28/04/2025 15:35

We have recently moved and are actually thinking about joining the local church as a family.

Never been religious before, but have heard that it is a great way to find a community.

Young men seem so lost these days, it can only be a good thing if they can find some belonging.

From what I've seen of Christian teachings, it seems very tolerant and moderate, so I wouldn't be too worried about a sudden wave of American style extremism.

Tomatotater · 28/04/2025 15:54

I think this is a massive overreaction. I would think Andrew Tate followers would be following him to Islam, as he has converted to Islam, not Catholicism. If you look at the influx of Eastern Europeans 20 years ago, they would have had British Born White kids who are now in their teens and 20's. That, in my experience is where a large part of the increase in the number of British born White Catholics is coming from. I live in a large Eastern European community, they are very devout Catholics. There is a Polish Mass said at the local church that is packed out every Sunday (and its not because of the school, you can get in as long as you've been baptised-no church attendance needed), they have Polish language lessons for British born children of Polish descent etc etc. Its also an increase from a pretty low base.

RawBloomers · 29/04/2025 18:40

Tomatotater · 28/04/2025 15:54

I think this is a massive overreaction. I would think Andrew Tate followers would be following him to Islam, as he has converted to Islam, not Catholicism. If you look at the influx of Eastern Europeans 20 years ago, they would have had British Born White kids who are now in their teens and 20's. That, in my experience is where a large part of the increase in the number of British born White Catholics is coming from. I live in a large Eastern European community, they are very devout Catholics. There is a Polish Mass said at the local church that is packed out every Sunday (and its not because of the school, you can get in as long as you've been baptised-no church attendance needed), they have Polish language lessons for British born children of Polish descent etc etc. Its also an increase from a pretty low base.

I was wondering about the impact of Eastern European immigration, too.

But I don’t discount the manosphere (it isn’t solely comprised of Tate) and increase in influence from the Right, or just a yearning for validation from working class young men who have lost a lot of direction and status, compared to older men, as industries have changed and women have made gains.

Genevieva · 30/04/2025 18:52

In Poland after the end of Soviet rule there was a large upswing in interest in Christianity because people wanted to connect with their Polish ancestry and a spiritual side of their identity that had been suppressed under communism. I think it’s similar here. Young people want meaning, community and a sense of belonging to an inherited culture that has been neglected. They may also have gone to school with Muslim children from immigrant families and seen that they have this within their communities, so they are looking for their own version of the same thing.

AliasGrace47 · 01/05/2025 20:27

Genevieva · 30/04/2025 18:52

In Poland after the end of Soviet rule there was a large upswing in interest in Christianity because people wanted to connect with their Polish ancestry and a spiritual side of their identity that had been suppressed under communism. I think it’s similar here. Young people want meaning, community and a sense of belonging to an inherited culture that has been neglected. They may also have gone to school with Muslim children from immigrant families and seen that they have this within their communities, so they are looking for their own version of the same thing.

Good point. I'm of Polish descent myself, and while I do disapprove of a lot of Catholic doctrine, I do value a lot of other elements of it, and the traditions, hymns feel emotionally/culturally important. I'd actually thought of reconverting recently, but this whole movement is making me a bit uncomfortable. There's def some good motives but so much is derived from reactionary tradcath SM stuff on SM imo.

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 20:35

Lookuptotheskies · 21/04/2025 22:15

Interesting....

The writer of this piece links it to the toxic "traditional" values of the manosphere.

article

I am curious and this does make sense to me. Wondered if others suspect the same.

Hoping to find TradWives I bet

JasmineAllen · 01/05/2025 22:46

GarlicSmile · 22/04/2025 00:52

From the article: The data also shows that generation Z are particularly drawn to Roman Catholicism, which accounts for a significant rise in the number of Catholics in England, almost closing the overall gap between those who identify as Catholic and those who identify as Anglican.

Surely they aren't identifying as Catholic or Anglican, they actually are Catholic or Anglican?

GarlicSmile · 01/05/2025 23:09

JasmineAllen · 01/05/2025 22:46

Surely they aren't identifying as Catholic or Anglican, they actually are Catholic or Anglican?

God knows (and isn't telling). Identities are a 21st-century plague, if you ask me. My housing association's vulnerability survey asked if you identify as disabled. I pointed out that many people, especially older tenants, don't 'identify as' disabled because the phrase suggests disability is central to their existence. They'd see themselves as just getting on with life, while having some difficulties.

The next edition asked: Do you identify as having a disability? 🙄 I honestly think under-25s identify rather than being, and can't see a difference.

JasmineAllen · 01/05/2025 23:17

GarlicSmile · 01/05/2025 23:09

God knows (and isn't telling). Identities are a 21st-century plague, if you ask me. My housing association's vulnerability survey asked if you identify as disabled. I pointed out that many people, especially older tenants, don't 'identify as' disabled because the phrase suggests disability is central to their existence. They'd see themselves as just getting on with life, while having some difficulties.

The next edition asked: Do you identify as having a disability? 🙄 I honestly think under-25s identify rather than being, and can't see a difference.

It's such a bad way to phrase something because it implies it's all in your imagination and if you wanted to you could opt out.

You identity as something you're not. You don't identity as something you actually are 😂

Maybe I could identify as disabled so I can get a blue badge though 🤔

buckeejit · 01/05/2025 23:33

My 15 year old son started going to church about 6 months ago! I’m a recovering Presbyterian myself & his father is atheist

TeiTetua · 02/05/2025 00:26

I'd be happy to hear that young men are feeling the truth of a doctrine of brotherhood (and sisterhood) with a benign deity overall, and it's also good if they want to join a community of fellow believers.

But if the urge is to link oneself to a historic claim that men are superior to women, and God (a male God) said that's the way it should be, then I'm not so enthusiastic.

raffegiraffe · 02/05/2025 00:44

My 16 year old boy has started attending church. I wasn't expecting it. I've questioned whether it's the manosphere but it doesn't seem to be.
I think it's that he's worked out he's going to die one day, but doesn't want to, so now he's thinking about the possibility of an afterlife

Icanhearabee · 02/05/2025 01:50

Christinapple · 26/04/2025 15:12

If this is so is it a good thing? Isn't Christianity anti-women and anti-same-sex rights?

What an ignorant comment. The Christian’s I know are some of the most accepting and kind people I’ve ever met. Is it just Christianity you feel this way about or do you hold similar concerns about any other religions?

SmegmaCausesBV · 02/05/2025 07:54

All we can hope is that the church really has cleaned up it's act and they won't all be disenfranchised by men abusing them as they have done historically. We now know that leads into cycles of violence and abuse going on for generations.

Ladamesansmerci · 02/05/2025 08:14

It will be about men wanting a 'good Christian/Muslim/Whatever wife'. It gives me the shudders, knowing religion has been used to oppress women throughout the entirety of history.

BlondiePortz · 02/05/2025 08:20

maltravers · 25/04/2025 15:02

And they wonder why women don’t want to date them!

Well they do, as many terrible men there are equally amounts of desperate women it seems

User57713 · 02/05/2025 08:25

We've had 3 young men join our church recently which actually is quite unusual. We're Church of Scotland, women can have any role they like, the top job was held by a woman last year. And they're highly unlikely to find a trad wife because most of the congregation is over 70. So if they joined for nefarious reasons they're going to be disappointed.

Malvala · 02/05/2025 08:30

It just proves to me that they’ll do anything except go to therapy.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 02/05/2025 08:30

I imagine in the vast majority it’s that the eg African Uk population, which is noticeably Christian, is growing.

Other than that the world is crazy right now, which always increases people in general believing in crazy things, and that’s even before the internet.

ForHeartyPeachOtter · 11/05/2025 08:28

I wonder if asylum seekers have bumped up the numbers? In our area, a lot of young Pakistani men have started going to the local church and converting to Christianity. They even stand in the town with a cross, blasting out Christian music while they film themselves. The reason is, if they claim to be Christian, they can say they can’t be sent back to their country as they’d be persecuted.

The man who carried out an acid attack on his wife before jumping in the Thames (remember that massive manhunt) was an example of this. He’d been baptised and claimed he was at risk of persecution from the Taliban if he went home.

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