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i detransitioned ftmtf - my perspective

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telerdelune · 08/01/2025 01:39

I have a few problems with the way detransitioners (specifically ftmtf detransitioners - I can't speak on the mtftms) are perceived, by both sides of the proverbial football field. On the one hand, I feel the way some trans rights activists discuss our issues to be incompassionate and rather cold. To be seen only as a screeching harridan doesn't gel well with me. On the other hand, I find some gender critical feminists regard us only as a mutilated monolith, wounded dolls robbed of beauty. I find detransition to be a much wider experience, our hills and valleys uncharted, our life experiences and perspectives unexpanded on. I feel like those who don't want to hear us out try to quiet us, and those who amplify our voices speak over us in service of their own agendas. This is why I'm posting this here - I think I'd rather speak to those who want to listen, rather than pound on the doors of those less likely to care. I have a lot to say though, and my writing style is quite flowery, so please read through the whole thing if you have the time. If you don't, that's fine too. I'll leave a TL:DR at the bottom :)

I came out to my family as a trans man at the age of 16, over Christmas in 2020. The experience didn't leave a good taste in my mouth. Me being trans wounded my relationship with my parents quite severely, specifically between me and my mother. The numerous lockdowns caused my social skills to deteriorate heavily, and I think on some level I lost touch of what was normal - not in terms of my own gender, but rather I found it difficult to exist in the wider world. Between 16 to 18, I transitioned socially but not medically. For the record, I'm about 170cm tall, and as a teenager I was quite overweight with a high pitched voice and a large chest, so it was a challenge for me to pass as male. My mother bought me my first binder, which made me feel more at ease. I think this moment laid the foundations for our relationship to heal and grow, as this showed me that even if she didn't necessarily agree with my decision to transition, she would still support me.

Speaking more on the relationship with my mother, I genuinely adore her. I'd give her all of my organs if I could. I know she's on Mumsnet, and she'll probably recognise me from my username and my personal anecdotes. I hope if she reads this and gets to this part, she'll know how much I value her. To me, we are a clay pot. We were shattered by turbulence and cold wind, pieced back together with liquid gold, to shimmer anew. We are, as the ancient Greeks postulated, one soul seperated into two bodies, stitched together at the hip. Wherever I go, she follows. Wherever she goes, I follow. Obviously we don't follow each other to work, of course. I mean in a more spiritual sense. Like when you're a kid and one of your grandparents passes away, your parents will tell you "she's looking down at you, she's in your heart!". I consider it my greatest boon in life, that I have her in my heart while we're still together in life. The only reason our relationship could ever be like this was because she supported me while I was Will. Despite the turbulence I caused, she still supported me. She stood by me, even if she sometimes thought I was making a mistake, or I would regret it. If she had outright refused to accept me, if she had lorded her right to refer to me with she/her pronouns and called me my "deadname", we would still be apart. I owe my life to her, not just because she gave me life, but because she allowed me to use my life to make my own mistakes, and learn from them.

Mammy, if you're reading this, rwy'n dy garu di!!!!

This is why I am so adamant that trans people be respected for their names and pronouns by those close to them. If they really are trans, that's how they should be referred to. If they're making a mistake, they'll eventually realise it. But if they see things like I do, they'll be eternally thankful that they were given the space to make those choices. Of course, there will always be those people who say "everyone let me make this mistake! no one stood in my way!". To which I say, if you're an adult, why should anyone stand in your way? When you're an adult, you make your own choices, and you face the consequences, good or bad, for those choices.

Regarding medical transition, I called my GP the month I came out to my family, and asked them to send a referral to the Tavistock. Ten months later, the doctor's office called me back and said the GP had written up my referral but had left it in the desk drawer and forgotten to send it. I do truly believe anyone who claims medical transition to be an open door is simply wrong. I waited another three years for my first appointment, and quickly became more and more unstable. The amount of hoops you have to jump through for medical transition is simply incredible. Perceive a million hoops and then perceive a million more. While I do believe hoops are necessary, I believe their placement is more relevant. i.e. more hoops for private care, less hoops for people relying on the NHS.

I got a part time retail job at 18, and with the money I earned, I was able to pay privately for testosterone gel via GenderGP. For the record, these are the expenses for private care:

  • £50 per month for the testosterone itself (i was on gel but this could differ for shots) (i can't forget to mention it was an extra £12 if you wanted a paper prescription to give to your local GP)
  • £30 per month for GenderGP subscription
  • £60 for the initial appointment
  • £35 for every follow up (these were spaced 3 months apart)
  • £35 for a name change document from one of their therapists (i paid this price to get my name changed on my passport, only for the passport agency to tell me it was unviable)

I was on hormones for about a year and a half. The total cost just for the testosterone itself was nearing £400, and it would have been more if I didn't ration it out as I did. I don't want to imagine what the real cost is, with all those other expenses included.

Some changes I noticed were interesting. I slept through my first few days on T, averaging about 15hrs of sleep each night. Thankfully this stopped after two or three days, and my energy came back. My voice dropped two octaves over the course of the next six months or so. I found it invigorating. I work in the city centre, and there's a lot of construction going on nearby. The amount of construction guys coming in who'd call me "love" "sweetie", or god forbid telling me to smile more, I'd look prettier. With my new deep voice, I'd simply ask them if they were eating in or taking away, and they'd immediately apologise. Presenting as female now, I can't imagine anyone apologising for it now. No one told me to smile more when I was perceived male. My attitude to customers has not changed an ounce. It seems to me that men are allowed to be grumpy.

As I'm sure is TMI for many people, I experienced what some call "bottom growth", but is actually more aptly called "front growth". Sadly I can't walk through a door on Tuesday and my ass follows me through on Friday morning. This began at about two months in, and continued until about four months in, at which point it sort of stopped growing. If you look at the nail bed on your pinky finger, that's about how large my clitoris is. It's about as thick as your pinky finger too (of course, depending on how large your pinky fingers are). I have no issue with this. I think it's pretty cool. Plus, I don't think it's big enough to be some weird thing that I would have to announce on a dating profile.

Body hair started sprouting at about 4 months in. I have light ginger hair, but for some reason this body hair grew in pitch black and lightened over time. I have no explanation for this. It's just weird. I have hair in a lot of places. Thighs, forearms, the like. I even had a happy trail and a few beard hairs at a point. Once I detransitioned, I epilated the beard hairs away (of which there were like 10), and they haven't been back since.

Testosterone is supposed to change the way your body stores fat and builds muscle, but I never really noticed that in myself, even though I was taking the right dose. 2 pumps of gel a day, which I applied to the thighs. It smelled like hospital hand sanitizer and it was horribly sticky. I was slightly hungrier than usual for the first few months, but aside from that nothing really changed. My facial structure remained the same, I didn't lose or gain any weight, and I don't lift weights, so I didn't notice any muscle changes. Another thing people often stress is issues with fertility when on testosterone. I never much wanted to be pregnant even before I transitioned, so this is a bit of a nothing burger to me. I've always wanted kids, but I've always wanted to adopt rather than give birth myself. Of course, it's always nice to have the pregnancy option available, but it's not something I value heavily for myself.

I stopped testosterone late last September, because I noticed my hair was beginning to thin. This wasn't out of the blue for me. Apparently if your maternal grandfather is bald, you have a higher chance of being bald too. I was fully aware of this risk when I began my hormone treatment. I didn't intend to detransition fully upon stopping hormones, rather my plan was to remain identifying as a man, as I retained my deep voice and still passed as male. However, being off the hormones gave me some food for thought.

As a child, I was severely bullied and isolated at school, throughout both primary and secondary. Having a Welsh name in an English school full of English children is certainly not for the week. For the record, my name is Teleri. Substitute teachers would mispronounce it - hell, even teachers who'd known me for months would mispronounce it. Childish tittering ensued, always. Eventually, some git finally realised what alliteration was, and invented a new playground game "Teleri Touch". Anything I touched was to be avoided upon pain of death, or thrown across the playground with wild abandon, if it was light enough. I was last to be picked in P.E. I was mocked in the changing room for my weight, which only caused my weight to spiral upwards, causing a vicious circle. Which was ironic, considering I looked like one. Writing it out makes it seem childish, and it seems crazy to me that I was so affected by it. Of course, there was some sexual harrassment as well. There always is. But it had a profound impact on me. I was chronically depressed, trying to deal with it without any medication. I was self harming at 13, and only stopped recently. I've had a binge eating disorder since 8 years old, which morphed into fasting bulimia when I was 17, causing me to lose 70lbs. The nature of fasting bulimia is that it's completely unpredictable. The 70lbs were lost over two years because I "couldn't get back on track". I fasted for a week straight and binged my little heart out, leading to a three year stint in Binge Eating Prison.

This part is not to cause sympathy. That's the last thing I want. There's a non-zero chance my lovely mammy will read this, and she already knows. I have admittedly low self-esteem, and I'm not trying to paint it as if the "trans cult lured me in sob sob". Frankly, I don't think there's such a thing as a spooky wooky trans cult. I'm sharing my experiences with self harm, mental health issues, and eating disorders for a reason. Not all trans people are mentally healthy. Not all non-trans people are mentally healthy either. But neither should be denied medical care for it.

I detransitioned in mid October last year, and I find my life to be a lot less turbulent. Along the years, I slowly stopped seeing being trans as part of my identity. Rather, I saw myself as a man, with no trans qualifier stuck to the front. Coming off the hormones gave me some extra space to think about whether I really was a man, but to be honest, I'd been thinking about it for almost a year beforehand. It's the sort of idea you toss around in your mind like a salad. "Am I really trans?" "What if I'm just a feminine man?" "What if I'm just a masculine girl?" Most of the time, I'd debate with myself on whether I was a man, and come to the conclusion that yes, I was a man, and no, I didn't regret anything. Only one of those statements is false. I do not regret anything about transitioning. The only thing I regret is buying so much damn T gel. I purchased two bottles one night, and then the next morning my mother noticed my hair was thinning. I stopped it immediately. I am a very vain person, and I can't afford to have no hair.

Throughout detransitioning, my voice has gotten higher. It's still quite deep in the mornings, but elevates to a much more feminine pitch as the day passes by. I spent two years as a man with no male hormones, so I learned how to shift the pitch of my voice up and down. I have no issues passing as either male or female, depending on the situation. Some of this stuff is quite a boon. The hormones left me with a tiny bit more upper body strength, which is very helpful when I'm carrying six bin bags up the stairs at work. For reference, our dumpsters are upstairs for some reason.

I tell a lie. I do regret changing all my documents, because now I'm going to have to change them back. I really can't be fucked. But it can't be helped. And it's going to be such a pisstake announcing my detransition at work, and I'm going to get some weird questions, but I don't give a shit.

I hope this was an interesting read. I hope everyone who read it took something away from it. I hope anyone who didn't still liked my writing style. I hope my mother finds this and feels closer to me. I hope the gender critical feminists who refer to detransitioners as "mutilated little girls" take a step back and check themselves. There is nothing mutilated about me. There is nothing mutilated about any of us, and I say this with my full chest. We are all completely normal, all of us. We are all made in our own images. Throughout my life I was a wilted flower. Transition perked up my stem. Through detransition, I am blooming. I am flourishing.

TL:DR: I transitioned. I detransitioned. I regret nothing. Fuck anyone who says I should be ashamed of any of it.

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Oodiks · 08/01/2025 01:51

Your notions of ‘being a man’ or ‘being a woman’ seem abstract. I wonder if you have had any sexual experience yet.

telerdelune · 08/01/2025 01:59

Oodiks · 08/01/2025 01:51

Your notions of ‘being a man’ or ‘being a woman’ seem abstract. I wonder if you have had any sexual experience yet.

This is because I think in an abstract manner. I live in my own head most of the time, and therefore my life would be less interesting if notions like "being a man" or "being a woman" were as clear-cut as some believe they are. As for my sexual experience or lack thereof, you'll have to buy me dinner first.

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Unpaidviewer · 08/01/2025 02:09

I hope you can eventually be comfortable just being you. I'm sure you've already seen it but there are some lovely people on the detrans sub reddit if you ever need some support from people with similar experiences.

telerdelune · 08/01/2025 02:21

Unpaidviewer · 08/01/2025 02:09

I hope you can eventually be comfortable just being you. I'm sure you've already seen it but there are some lovely people on the detrans sub reddit if you ever need some support from people with similar experiences.

Thank you - I'm actually doing very well as of late. As soon as I get past the hurdle of letting everyone at work know, I'll be kicking back and having a good time. I'm looking forward to not binding anymore! As for the detrans subreddit I've been on there a few times and they seem pleasant. I'm more of a lurker than a poster, and some of the stuff they post is very comforting to read. It's nice to not be alone! 😄

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Oodiks · 08/01/2025 02:34

telerdelune · 08/01/2025 01:59

This is because I think in an abstract manner. I live in my own head most of the time, and therefore my life would be less interesting if notions like "being a man" or "being a woman" were as clear-cut as some believe they are. As for my sexual experience or lack thereof, you'll have to buy me dinner first.

That’s cute ‘n all, but I suspect you’re a virgin. I do believe that male and female are pretty clear cut, and I don’t believe anyone ever believed you were a man. The guys on the building site knew it or they wouldn’t have cat called you as a ‘man’, great that you flummoxed them, but it didn’t them read you as male.

I see a lot a young FTMs where I live and it always makes me feel sad for them. No sisterhood and certainly no brotherhood to call on.

Your Mum is a rock star!!

Copenhagener · 08/01/2025 02:39

Gosh that was a long read with not much really said. I’m sorry for your mental health struggles, but it certainly doesn’t make me think of trans as anything different than I already did. It sounds like you spend far too much time inside your own head, and not engaging with the world as it really is.

Just so you know, mental health issues can bar you from adoption. If you might want kids one day; I’d get a fertility check done, so you’ll know if it is possible. Not sure how old you are, but I went from ‘I never want kids’ to suddenly wanting them at 31.

I hope things continue to get better for you.

Happyinarcon · 08/01/2025 02:43

It’s sad to read about how you were bullied at school, I wish bullying was taken more seriously as it causes so much damage. Do you feel relieved that you didn’t have a mastectomy? Would this have made you feel differently about your experience?

telerdelune · 08/01/2025 02:48

Oodiks · 08/01/2025 02:34

That’s cute ‘n all, but I suspect you’re a virgin. I do believe that male and female are pretty clear cut, and I don’t believe anyone ever believed you were a man. The guys on the building site knew it or they wouldn’t have cat called you as a ‘man’, great that you flummoxed them, but it didn’t them read you as male.

I see a lot a young FTMs where I live and it always makes me feel sad for them. No sisterhood and certainly no brotherhood to call on.

Your Mum is a rock star!!

For the record, the guys at the building site stopped catcalling me about three months into my transition. They recently started up again because I wear a bit of eyeliner to work now. I'm not going to bore you with platitudes of "people did see me as a man! boohoo!" because there's just no point. Not to mention, it'd bore me as well. Whether they saw me as a man or not, I don't care. Doesn't change anything. I'm going to ignore the virgin comment because I don't know why it's relevant. Feel free to enlighten me, but I just don't see why having sex is required to be a woman or a man. I think there are some things about maleness/femaleness that are clear-cut, but other parts that aren't. It was difficult for me to live as a man with a female childhood and female socialisation, and it's difficult now to go back to being treated as a woman when I was used to being treated as a man. Little things that I never noticed before I transitioned, because they were normal to me, are now very jarring. But you caught me, I do like flummoxing. It's my hobby. 😊

You honestly don't have to feel bad for the young FTMs where you live. They're leading their own lives and doing fine, and they most likely have friends and community to support them, as I'm sure sisterhood and brotherhood does for everyone else. Honestly, there are better things to use your emotional energy for.

As for the compliment towards my mother, you're damn right. Even though I'm probably going to text her a link to my post and she'll hold your compliment over my head for the rest of my life! 😂

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telerdelune · 08/01/2025 02:51

Happyinarcon · 08/01/2025 02:43

It’s sad to read about how you were bullied at school, I wish bullying was taken more seriously as it causes so much damage. Do you feel relieved that you didn’t have a mastectomy? Would this have made you feel differently about your experience?

I do feel relieved. I went bra shopping with my mother when we both had a day off, and it was nice to reconnect, not only with her as my mother but as two women chilling in town, buying bras just like we did when I was 11. If I'd had a mastectomy, it wouldn't have changed much though. I thought about mastectomy for a little bit, but never made serious plans. Seeing the cost made my eyes roll. Upwards of £6000 is too rich for my blood.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 08/01/2025 02:57

I live in my own head most of the time,

There are two problems with that:

  1. That the rest of the world is outside your head and it has very clear-cut and not-at-all-abstract notions of "being a woman" or "being a man". Reproductive biology is one not-at-all-abstract aspect of this; sexual harassment and being expected to smile is another (caused by men being bellends, not because your body is wrong).
  2. That, in my experience, daydreaming about being male makes the dysphoria worse. If I give into thinking about my inner wish to have male anatomy whilst living in my head, I feel much worse when I come back to reality than when I don't think about it.

I find it better for my mental health to get out of my head more and do something practical. This doesn't have to involve people. I find that gardening helps a lot, because my plants don't sexually harass me and I feel like I achieve something by growing my own vegetables.

I'm autistic so I absolutely get abstract thinking and that desire to disappear into your own head and I understand what it is to not really understand "feeling female". I understand that disconnect from your own body, which I think can contribute to gender dysphoria as well as being mistaken for it. And I understand what it is to struggle to navigate a world in which men treat me as prey whilst I lack the social skills to protect myself and to desperately want to escape that fate. But there are choices other than "be sociable" (yuck) or "live in your own head" and in my experience a solitary hands-on activity where you feel like you've accomplished something is a choice that doesn't "feed" the sense of dysphoria.

I hope my experience gives you tips on how to manage any dysphoria you experience, because it does suck.

telerdelune · 08/01/2025 03:02

Copenhagener · 08/01/2025 02:39

Gosh that was a long read with not much really said. I’m sorry for your mental health struggles, but it certainly doesn’t make me think of trans as anything different than I already did. It sounds like you spend far too much time inside your own head, and not engaging with the world as it really is.

Just so you know, mental health issues can bar you from adoption. If you might want kids one day; I’d get a fertility check done, so you’ll know if it is possible. Not sure how old you are, but I went from ‘I never want kids’ to suddenly wanting them at 31.

I hope things continue to get better for you.

I wasn't aiming to make a grand statement with this post. I admit that I spend too much time in my head. That's why I wrote it all down here, so I could get it all out. It's just a perspective piece, not absolute unanimous truth.

I was on the fence about getting a fertility check, but you've sort of pulled me towards it. I'm not sexually active and I don't plan on getting pregnant, but of course it happens when you least expect it. I'm 20, by the way. I've wanted kids all my life, but obviously with the mental health issues I know the deck is stacked against me, and I should keep my pregnancy options open, just in case. Though I'm sort of hoping the whole mental health stuff will clear up when I'm ready for children.

I'm making efforts to engage with the real world, and shock horror, it's improving my mental health. The school counsellor used to tell me to go on walks and drink hot tea when I had "low mood" as she called it, and I hate that she was right. I feel my life has more variety now. I'm playing the piano again, which I haven't done in almost a decade. Men's fashion is chronically boring, and now I get to play around more. Though I am a bit of a clothes horse, admittedly, and I'm running out of wardrobe space.

All things considered, I'm doing well :))

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telerdelune · 08/01/2025 03:15

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 08/01/2025 02:57

I live in my own head most of the time,

There are two problems with that:

  1. That the rest of the world is outside your head and it has very clear-cut and not-at-all-abstract notions of "being a woman" or "being a man". Reproductive biology is one not-at-all-abstract aspect of this; sexual harassment and being expected to smile is another (caused by men being bellends, not because your body is wrong).
  2. That, in my experience, daydreaming about being male makes the dysphoria worse. If I give into thinking about my inner wish to have male anatomy whilst living in my head, I feel much worse when I come back to reality than when I don't think about it.

I find it better for my mental health to get out of my head more and do something practical. This doesn't have to involve people. I find that gardening helps a lot, because my plants don't sexually harass me and I feel like I achieve something by growing my own vegetables.

I'm autistic so I absolutely get abstract thinking and that desire to disappear into your own head and I understand what it is to not really understand "feeling female". I understand that disconnect from your own body, which I think can contribute to gender dysphoria as well as being mistaken for it. And I understand what it is to struggle to navigate a world in which men treat me as prey whilst I lack the social skills to protect myself and to desperately want to escape that fate. But there are choices other than "be sociable" (yuck) or "live in your own head" and in my experience a solitary hands-on activity where you feel like you've accomplished something is a choice that doesn't "feed" the sense of dysphoria.

I hope my experience gives you tips on how to manage any dysphoria you experience, because it does suck.

I absolutely agree with you. I find people annoying and I don't like talking to people at all (why I ever got a job in customer service is beyond me). The "living in my head" thing is something I picked up in school. I'm also autistic, and the other kids picked up on it. My school had this special area for special needs children, and I'd often hang out there because they judged me less. It's a habit I try to offset by listening to music, which works most of the time unless I've got Radiohead on.

As for the solitary hands-on activity, I started playing the piano again, and I edit scenes from doctor who on capcut for fun. I like the sense of accomplishment I get when finishing a piece, or downloading a finished edit and posting it on my private account just for me to watch. Plus, I have a little piano journal and a fountain pen, and when I finish each practice, I get to jot down what I've done, what I'm going to do, what I need to practice more. My life feels more full, lately.

Throughout my transition, I noticed my dysphoria decreasing gradually. It's not something I need to worry about anymore, whereas when I was younger it was everywhere. I deal with it by listening to music also. I swear to god, one day I'll get myself a little vinyl player and start a collection. I have a bass guitar that I've been meaning to pick up for a while now. I've got a week off work coming up, and I'm going to spend that time learning new songs. I have a book of Beatles songs for the bass and I'm going to rip the spine off it I'll tell you that for free 😏

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SecretSoul · 08/01/2025 03:41

I think the thing is OP that there’s a world of difference between your life experiences and a trans man who has a mastectomy and/or bottom surgery and then detransitions.

I think our young people have been utterly betrayed by a healthcare system that should have done a better job at protecting them.

Everything you’ve written here makes me think there weren’t enough hoops that you had to jump through. Autistic girls make up a disproportionately large number of the trans community, and a large part of that is the reasons you’ve alluded to above. The world is hard work for autistic females and it’s common to ascribe feelings of disconnect to gender dysphoria when actually it’s more likely to be related to neurodivergence.

Your history of being bullied and mental health difficulties is another marker that was missed.

This is the issue that many of us have with gender-affirming care. It ignores many simpler, more obvious causes and instead only acknowledges what is perceived as gender distress.

Being neurodivergent and having a history of trauma/bullying means that those avenues should have been fully explored first because the chances are that’s where the issue lies - as you’ve now discovered.

If someone wants to have surgery and live their life as a trans identifying individual, that’s their choice. But unfortunately there are many young adults out there who have had surgery and then detransitioned, and feel as if they’ve been left in limbo. That applies to our young men as well as our young women. There was a very candid detransitioner account by someone called Ritchie (Tullip) and his story is horrifying. He had bottom surgery and regrets no longer having a penis. I don’t know how anyone could read his account and not feel horrified by what he’s been through and where he finds himself now.

I think any detransitioner who’s had surgery is facing a very different set of emotions than someone who just took cross-hormones for a while.

I’m glad you never ended up having surgery. And I’m glad you’re in a good place now.

But there’s nothing you’ve said here that won’t make me feel sad for girls who have surgery without the proper safeguards in place. Without the chance to get proper psychological treatment for mental health issues, for trauma, for neurodivergence. They deserve so much more than a doctor who blithely accepts gender distress as the cause and refuses to properly investigate what else may be going on. And yes, I feel sorry for boys too who go down the surgical route - but the stats suggest they tend to get surgery much later. It’s mainly our young girls who are having surgery - and frequently these are autistic girls.

I’m interested in hearing different viewpoints because I’m always open to something that I may have missed. I’m autistic too. But while I appreciate your earnest reasons for writing your post, there’s nothing new in what you’ve said, and nothing that I haven’t heard before. I feel desperately sorry for our young people who don’t get robust medical care and instead are being fed the lie that they can simply become the opposite sex, and everything will magically be ok.

If I was your mum I’d be furious that you’d been led down this route by medical practitioners that should have identified what was really going on.

WallaceinAnderland · 08/01/2025 03:43

This is why I am so adamant that trans people be respected for their names and pronouns by those close to them.

You feel happy making this choice for other people, rather than letting them make their own choice?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/01/2025 10:54

I understand what it is to not really understand "feeling female".

Many, perhaps most, women don't understand it. That's nothing to do with dysphoria or autism - it's because 'female' is not a feeling¹.

I agree with PP that more - rather than fewer - hoops are needed. But better and more efficient ones. Ones that could have picked up your trauma, your mental health struggles, your eating disorder and dealt with those rather than just leave you sitting on a waiting list.

Interesting that the Gender GP passport application was useless. It seems they lack administrative as well as medical integrity.

Re: adoption. It's an admirable goal, but it's a very, very hard road.

¹ I've thought about it a lot, and if I really had to ascribe a feeling to it, 'annoyed' is probably the best I can do. With a side order of 'damp'.

MarieDeGournay · 08/01/2025 14:15

Reading your story, telerdelune, it makes me feel so grateful that I went through a childhood of gender dysphoria [assuming it actually exists, I accept it is debated], health problems, shortage of money at home, always being the odd one out at school and later, suicidal ideation as a response to approaching puberty - without having the option of transitioning.

I think I'd have jumped at the opportunity, and jumped through all the hoops, to get puberty blockers and hormones and maybe even surgery... anything would have felt better than growing up female.

Instead, I eventually realised that being female is not a feeling, it's a biological fact, and that I'd better just get on with being me, including the fact of my female biology.

Discovering feminism in my teens meant that I knew I could be a woman AND be anything else I wanted to be. Which is more or less what I've done - not without difficulty, not without dealing with misogyny, not without facing sexual harassment and worse, but I haven't been alone in dealing with those things; I know I'm one in a whole global community of women experiencing the full range of sexism from 'Cheer up love' to FGM to death.

The problem I have with transgender-ism is that it pushes things back onto the individual: if you ['one'] feel you don't 'fit' what society says is female, it's up to you to change - in some cases up to and including making drastic medical and surgical changes - to fit 'femaleness', instead of it being up to society to drop the stupid and damaging gender stereotypes.

I wish I had been told as a little girl who didn't want to be a little girl:
'It's not YOU, you are not in the wrong body, you are exactly as you are supposed to be - it's society that needs to change, and don't be downhearted, there are millions of women out there in the big world fighting to make those changes'.

I wish you well in the future telerdelune. You are lucky to have an amazing relationship with your MamSmile

Tmpnamenb · 08/01/2025 17:30

Thankyou for sharing.
It's likely to be a very helpful post for parents with children a similar age and younger.
There is a lot that I disagree with as a 50 year old woman, but it's useful to have a window into what the thought process of a 16-20 year old who has been through so much in their life is likely to be.

I wanted to mention this. I've a friend who had a single mastectomy and reconstruction due to breast cancer. That breast feels so different to her breast that wasn't operated on. She has lost sensation. It gets painful in the cold. Years on we know not to hug her from that side.
At one point she was going to have an operation to the other side to make them 'match' but after some frank conversations with her friends she realised that she would lose too much in order to gain aesthetically and has decided that feeling a bit upset now and again is better than more pain and numbness.

When parents don't want to jump in to calling someone by a new name or opposite sex pronouns, they're worrying about the potential for their child putting themselves through operations that are going to mean they suffer pain and lack of feeling and other difficulties, potentially forever.
It's a reality that doesn't seem to be talked about or acknowledged very much.

I really wish you well. The bullying you have described is just awful. I was bullied too and I spent a lot of my mid teens trying to be invisible. Life got very much better once out of the school environment.

KitschenCupboards · 08/01/2025 17:35

"If they really are trans parents should listen and respect pronouns'

Well your mum did that and you weren't really trans were you? As you're back to being a woman.

So all she did was fuel whatever mental issues you were going through by affirming rather than helping you by digging deeper and finding the true cause of your pain.

I'm sorry you went through that but the flowery writing style doesn't cover up the fact that you were failed and many, many kids are going through the same thing because parents are too scared to say no and delve deeper to find the real issues.

MyNewLife2025 · 08/01/2025 18:04

Being chronically ill and having to buy medication privately myself, the first thing that came to mind was ‘Wow That’s cheap’!!

Toseland · 08/01/2025 18:05

I am so adamant that trans people be respected for their names and pronouns by those close to them.
Yet your Mum chose and gave you your name and you have shown no respect to her?
This is the thing about 'trans' - respect is demanded with threats and aggression, yet no respect is given to others.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 08/01/2025 21:52

Tmpnamenb · 08/01/2025 17:30

Thankyou for sharing.
It's likely to be a very helpful post for parents with children a similar age and younger.
There is a lot that I disagree with as a 50 year old woman, but it's useful to have a window into what the thought process of a 16-20 year old who has been through so much in their life is likely to be.

I wanted to mention this. I've a friend who had a single mastectomy and reconstruction due to breast cancer. That breast feels so different to her breast that wasn't operated on. She has lost sensation. It gets painful in the cold. Years on we know not to hug her from that side.
At one point she was going to have an operation to the other side to make them 'match' but after some frank conversations with her friends she realised that she would lose too much in order to gain aesthetically and has decided that feeling a bit upset now and again is better than more pain and numbness.

When parents don't want to jump in to calling someone by a new name or opposite sex pronouns, they're worrying about the potential for their child putting themselves through operations that are going to mean they suffer pain and lack of feeling and other difficulties, potentially forever.
It's a reality that doesn't seem to be talked about or acknowledged very much.

I really wish you well. The bullying you have described is just awful. I was bullied too and I spent a lot of my mid teens trying to be invisible. Life got very much better once out of the school environment.

I wanted to mention this. I've a friend who had a single mastectomy and reconstruction due to breast cancer. That breast feels so different to her breast that wasn't operated on. She has lost sensation. It gets painful in the cold. Years on we know not to hug her from that side.

I have extensive scarring to one ear, courtesy of childhood ear pinning. It hurts to sleep on that side. That ear hurts in cold weather. My glasses arm hurts on that side. Headphones hurt. I can't wear ear cuffs that side because the ear is the wrong shape and you'd be amazed at how often ear cuffs are only made for one side and not the other.

One of the justifications given for subjecting me to that surgery was that I was being bullied because of having one bat ear. The bullying didn't stop and I now have lifelong pain. And my ear still looks weird because I wasn't fully-grown at the time of the surgery and the scar tissue didn't grow but the rest of my ear did and is now distorted.

That's one ear. Imagine that to your genitalia or breasts.

AliasGrace47 · 10/01/2025 23:05

Toseland · 08/01/2025 18:05

I am so adamant that trans people be respected for their names and pronouns by those close to them.
Yet your Mum chose and gave you your name and you have shown no respect to her?
This is the thing about 'trans' - respect is demanded with threats and aggression, yet no respect is given to others.

On respect - luckily I love my name, but my mother's alternative choice I can't stand. It's the child who has to go through life w the name, it's ofc sad for the parent if they change it, but I think simple name changes should be respected.
Otoh, a pronoun change is completely different. No parent should feel they must accept that, & it seems to increase the amount of dysphoria...

AliasGrace47 · 10/01/2025 23:21

Just to clarify, I don't agree w official name changes before coming of age. I think if a child really hates their name people should call them the preferred one, but there need to be boundaries for teens. Where the waters are muddied is when this occurs w transgender identity.. I think in that case the rules do need to ge tighter & other names should not be used.

SwordToFlamethrower · 10/01/2025 23:42

You were failed by anyone that was supposed to safe guard you. Your mum included. Letting her kid make their own mistakes is something like allowing them to get their heart broken, or getting a crap job, or something, NOT letting you take hormones that poison your body and permanently change it.

You are autistic so needed EXTRA safe guarding, not less.

I'm sorry for all you've been through, I'm angry on your behalf. I hope you're not permanently infertile or reduced sexual ability in the future. I'm really sorry.

Your post about your life experiences that led you down this path is actually textbook. But you got off lightly as you didn't have the surgeries.

All the best with your life. I strongly recommend getting a good psychotherapist, learn some strong boundaries and self care and understand how to get out of your head.

Toseland · 10/01/2025 23:57

AliasGrace47 · 10/01/2025 23:05

On respect - luckily I love my name, but my mother's alternative choice I can't stand. It's the child who has to go through life w the name, it's ofc sad for the parent if they change it, but I think simple name changes should be respected.
Otoh, a pronoun change is completely different. No parent should feel they must accept that, & it seems to increase the amount of dysphoria...

I don't agree. Well for children at least - changing your name detaches you from your family and yourself.