Brilliant article by Janice Turner on the Gisele Pelicot trial

[LizziesTwin]

Here it is with a share token sat in court at the Gisèle Pelicot rape trial. This is what I saw www.thetimes.com/article/5deef277-12a8-41da-98ab-5ff283a6d6f6?shareToken=7b3271f3718a3e916c421ab955fcc34e Gisele Pelicot trial

It’s a hard read

That is a really hard read. The whole thing is so distressing

She makes a lot of the French aspects though; is she trying to make us feel it wouldn’t happen elsewhere? The legal absence of consent makes it a bit different but I’m not so sure. The line about seeing men differently is chilling

It raises some interesting points especially about France. They've only just elevated rape to a serious crime. They've only just brought in a minimum age for sex. Their criteria for rape seems to depend on how forceful the incident was, not the actual act. The blaming of women in court.

I remember the attitude from some prominent French women during #metoo, that it was too puritan. It's such a patriarchal society.

It brings up another serious point: how many men would do this given the chance?

I was reading about a gang rape recently where some blokes were raping a woman in a hotel room, went into the corridor and invited passers by to join in. There was also a famous American case where a girl was being gang raped and one of the men ran along the pavement inviting strangers to join in.

As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been enough research into why seemingly ordinary men will rape given the opportunity.

Are they all sociopaths? If so, why are there so many?

This podcast with French lawyer, Isabelle Thieuleux, gives interesting insight into Pelicot and the debate re rape in France.
https://x.com/IncitefulPod/status/1864757791426068977?t=TijIQrF2Z8O8rmwqa_L8JA&s=19

It brings up another serious point: how many men would do this given the chance?

Monsieur-Tout-Le-Monde

there are many many reasons why I am not wishing to read details of this trial but have a real need to do so in hope of justice and change

the variety of males ages, jobs, circumstances, status’ etc combined with the volume and range of attempted excuses from the males themselves and many of the females around them

suggests this is the trial that clearly demonstrates huge swathes of men will attempt it if they think they can get away with it

’get away with it’ - that’s the line holding the vast majority back

not any innate goodness of heart

and in the UK alone the rate of investigation, prosecution, punishment with any jail time never mind adequate and appropriate jail time shows the desire of those in govt, police and courts to give males plenty of scope to ‘get away with it’

I wish the news story trigger warnings of “Warning: You may find some of the details of this story disturbing” had a little addendum of and if you don’t wtaf is wrong with you

it is horrifying the sheer scale and scope of males with excuses and dicks in hands ready and lined up to commit a crime that will essentially murder the current and potential life of the woman in front of them

What I found shocking was when I lived in a developing country, how many Western men took advantage of the misogyny and lack of human rights.

I remember a German company advertising for a young, attractive secretary. Obviously that's illegal in Germany but they were taking advantage of the fact it wasn't there.

I realised that it wasn't people's moral compass that was preventing them from behaving badly. It was according to what they could get away with.

Thank you very much for sharing this.

Thank you for sharing.
I searched to see if any updates had been posted as I read a BBC article today. Link to article
The excuses and the fact there are so many women sticking by their man made me so angry and incredibly sad.

I used to travel a lot for work and it was something I learned early.
For all the morality of the West, when Western men and companies are in places they can get away with stuff they could not “back home” they gladly do it.

Symptoms of long term drugging to look out for

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y34GHPrVm7Y?si=1gBB2I11jqGTwzPg

Also references a German documentary in the comments of a network who were discussing drugging other women