Coercion & assisted dying/suicide: why is it suddenly recognisable when it isn't in DV?

[aweegc]

Ok I would post this on AIBU but I've gone through a coercive relationship and I'm still not strong enough to deal with "robust" responses.

First, the issue I'm raising isn't about death, it's about the sudden ability of everybody to recognise coercion.

I'm honestly aghast that every proponent of the upcoming bill responds to the possibility of coercion with some version of "doctors will be trained to recognise it" or "it has been shown to virtually never occur in the other countries that has assisted dying/suicide".

1. We have a law against coercive control, unlike many other countries. And according to the number of prosecutions of it, it barely ever occurs.

1. Coercion can be defined differently across jurisdictions.

1. If coercion isn't illegal in a country, how is data about its occurrence collected?

1. Does anybody talking about coercion know that there's MASSIVE manipulation involved, and by the very definition if it, someone deeply manipulated generally doesn't know they are. They won't (be able to) admit it and they are likely to demonstrate loyalty to the abuser in many cases, for a multitude of reasons.

I could go on.

But apparently, doctors will ask patients if they're being coerced. They'll know from talking to them.

I mean if it's that bloody simple, why aren't all the women (usually) in abusive relationships pinpointed and offered significant help? Why aren't all the abusive partners being located via this straightforward and quick method and being prosecuted?

I mean basically, the only surefire way to get away from a coercive partner is to be in the last 6 months of your life, and ask to be able to die.

I'm so disgusted by this lack of discussion.

Oh and all the "Look, just because some people might be coerced, that shouldn't remove the right of others to end their life."

And "Most families are loving, the idea there are lots of people wanting to have their relatives die is silly."

I have to admit to being totally triggered. I suffered multiple health issues while with my ex and at no point did he help me. Many times I thought I should just die. Never did I think I was being coerced, abused etc and I'd have definitely not given anybody that idea. In fact I was invested in presenting an image of him that he wanted the world to see. So I was frequently congratulated on having such a lovely husband.

Don't take everything you read in the news too literally. After all, according to Dutch news British hospitals are so bad that it's easy for nurses to repeatedly murder babies with no one noticing or caring because it's expected that British babies die in intensive care...

@TheMotherShipAhoy

It's horrific, I know. The whole thing fills me with horror I feel like people are sleep walking into this.

Some of the people who voted for assisted dying, also voted against a bill called the childrens hospice funding Bill, which was about palliative care for children.

Now obviously this assisted dying isn't for children.

But it's a little indication of how people feel about actually funding palliative care

Yes but killing babies in hospital is illegal and was dealt with by the courts.

People break the law all the time.

What we're concerned with is it being legal to kill people or assist them.

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