Will the world ever be safer for girls and women?

[CactusSammy]

I haven't posted before, but I absolutely despair at the state of men, and worry for the future of girls and women.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm so sick of the way men behave towards us, without any concept of the distress their actions cause. My teenage daughter has just started college, and gets the train there. The college have called me today, saying that she is very upset as she saw two men filming her at the train station.

For context, she was wearing jeans, trainers, and a non revealing top (not that it would make it ok, whatever she was wearing). The men were approx mid 20s.

I thought men my age were bad, but it seems the young ones aren't any better. I know it's not all men, but it really takes the piss when a young girl can't even go to college without being harassed, and made to feel scared, vulnerable, and intimidated.

I know its just some twats at the train station, but its really upsetting for a young girl. When she was 14 I let her walk to the corner shop five minutes away with her friend, and on the way back two grown men in a van shouted 'show us your tits' at them. What the hell is wrong with men?

Is the world ever going to be safer for women and girls? Sadly, as long as there are men around, I really don't think so.

I agree but mr feeling is the comments are still bubbling under the surface. So it’s consequences that make men stop, not a shift in attitude

Oh, I don’t know. Out 21 year old son is very respectful and appalled at the behaviour of some other men. His friends, likewise.

Please do share the data which you claim proves this.

Meanwhile, chew on this. I'll take rape in the US as my test case, from 1960-2019.

www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

From 9.6 per 100,000 in 1960 to 42.9 per 100,000 in 2019. You can see a pattern of it climbing over the years, including during years when reporting rates had not changed at all. They still haven't changed enough to account for an increase of almost five times from 1960, so it's not possible that a mere change in reporting would be solely responsible for such an increase over time.

The world. As a whole. Taken over any amount of time more than five years
is definitely provably better.

just because you’re so small minded you can’t think on time spans more than the last daily mail article you read is not my problem.

get perspective fgs.

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You can't stand being proven wrong so you throw out stupid insults and outright lies about me using the Daily Fail as a source.
The fact is you said it was getting better everywhere. Since as proven, it has gotten worse in the US (going all the way back to 1960, so please stop lying about the time span) you are unequivocally wrong. I'm positive I could prove it is the case for many other countries, but you'd still deny, deny, deny, so there's no point. Nor have you offered a single rebuttal source.
Obviously, your ego is so tragically fragile that you can't even admit a simple error.

“Everywhere” means the world and society AS A WHOLE not “you can find one single place where things have got worse”

you’re too focussed on the latest and loudest thing you have heard. That’s called attention bias.

women have a better deal now and are safer than they ever, ever have been.

in fact pretty much anything you can think of is better than child mortality, war, discrimination, minority rights, democracy. Better.

in fact pretty much anything you can think of is better than child mortality, war, discrimination, minority rights, democracy. Better.

funny that - wars in Africa tend to result in women been gang raped, usually tied down. Some women allow themselves to be raped so their daughters can be spared the trauma. Girls still forced to have brutal FGM procedures - 98% in Somalia.

Child mortality - how many girls (children) have been targeted and murdered by men this year (think Southport) , never mind the past. Soham murders, Levi Bellfield murdered 4 women (not men). Ashling Murphy - murdered by a man whilst out for a run in broad daylight on a canal path. Rober Napper also murdered three women, including Rachel Nickel and a mother and daughter.

Spain has a pretty horrific record for DV as well - if you are wanting a wider perspective.

Minority rights - women are judged at every age, for been married, having children, not having children etc. Democracy is still a long way away - look at abortion rights as evidence of then. Raped 13 year old girls forced to carry a baby full term and risk dying during childbirth.

The real fact is that men are not being held to account for their behaviour in any significant way.

It's as if assault and rape have no real consequences....to the extent it's almost legalised.

How many times have men got if because of ' not enough evidence' 'her word against his' or 'she lead him on'
A slap on the wrist is about the worst these men will get.

The government shouting about the violence toward women being at a epidemic level and wanting misogyny laws, are completely redundant and just blowing smoke up our butts, as the safety of women and girls is not taken seriously, ......with men being allowed in women's spaces without any restrictions... just on their say so.

Men allowed to punch women in the guise of sport.

But we mustn't upset the men or make them uncomfortable !!!

Until women and girls are put on a level playing field to men, nothing will change.

I've got more chance of fighting a woman of then I have a man.

In fact I've NEVER been sexual assaulted by a woman, but I've lost count of the times men have thought it's absolutely fine to put their hand on me...in most situations.

Yes...women should not be groping me...but much easier for a guy to push a woman of then it is for a woman to stop a man when he has a sights set !!

It's not all men, but so many men, all the time, every single flipping day.

The thing about there being less wars/less people dying in wars that ever before isn't true anymore. I think it was when this article was written (2010) https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/wars-less-deadly-than-they-used-to-be-report-says-idUSTRE60J5UG/#:~:text=Since%202000%2C%20the%20average%20conflict,at%20Vancouver's%20Simon%20Fraser%20University.
But it had stopped being true by about 2015 when it started to go up again. I am still very happy that I am alive now when we have antibiotics and the vote, but time isn't an unstoppable march towards everything being better. As I think many people (at least in this part of the world) genuinely believed in the 1990s and even in 2010.

Unfortunately it won't be safe for women and girls as long as:

• most world leaders remain men
• people continue to believe in and impose religions (most of which are full of misogynist statements and rules)
• rape, sexual assault and violence in the home continue not to be taken seriously and severely punished by the law
• we continue to be seen as second class humans
• nothing is done to address the easy access to violent and degrading porn
• some people (mostly men but also some women) continue to claim that sexism and misogyny are no longer an issue and simply reply to women's concerns with 'what about the men...'

All of this is true.

it does not in the slightest negate that THINGS ARE BETTER THAN THEY EVER HAVE BEEN

Started to go up across what time frame? A 12 month period, 5 year or 25 year. If you zoom out enough, and not very far, things are getting a lot better on all counts.

Since 2015 things have been getting worse not better (in terms of conflicts). So I guess that is a 10 year time frame which might be a weird blip, or it might be that the previous apparent improvement from 1950 to 2010 (quoted in the article) was the blip and this is a reversion. I don't think things are set in stone anyway - different countries/individuals choices are what makes a difference. But to stubbornly insist things are better now than they ever were before isn't true. Since, using cold hard numbers, we can see things were "better" in 2015 or 2010 than they are now :) But there were articles around in 2010 etc like the one above and I think people read them and are still quoting from them but they are out of date!

To be more specific - the last decade has seen not just new conflicts popping up, but also an increasing year by year death toll in many existing conflicts. e.g. Yemen https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29319423 Its not a single cause. In some cases the rise of social media and access to the internet in lots of places has made it really easy to spread disinformation and very rapidly whip up angry mobs or even full blown ethnic conflicts. Likewise, camera phones and now AI have introduced new dangers for women in countries where honour killings are already a thing.

No it is getting worse, much worse. I blame porn, violent games which glamorise rape and violence, and piss poor parenting. Women have always born the brunt of sexual violence when there is conflict and various ongoing religious/cultural 'beliefs' always seem to involve the mutilation of women for a 'greater good'.

And for good measure add in poor medical provision - America, a developed country, currently has the highest maternal mortality rate of all high-income countries, giving birth is pretty risky as well.

Bullshit. Everywhere means everywhere on earth and you know it. This reference to "society" is meaningless and an evasion.
No matter what facts you are given you will just move the goalposts to facilitate your denial. There is no logic in your arguments and no evidence of any kind offered to back up any of your claims.

Not just one place;

Police in England and Wales have recorded the highest number of rapes and sexual offences in 20 years.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62258162

India;

https://www.statista.com/statistics/632493/reported-rape-cases-india/

I could find any number of places like this and you would still remain in denial and employ transparent rhetorical tricks to slide out from under being wrong.