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Sex wars

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Superlambaanana · 25/07/2024 20:07

I predict that 'left vs right' is going to be overtaken by 'men vs women' in the future. What do you think?

The political discourse is already becoming dominated by sex based issues and I'm not just talking about the gender culture war. Trump and Harris are expected to battle it out over abortion. Which is basically a debate about whether women should be allowed to have equal rights or must have their life choices dictated to them by others (men).

Men are feeling marginalised and extreme misogynistic behaviour is on the rise as a result. The report released this week about male violence against women and girls was shocking and part of an ongoing trend.

Misandry is also on the rise and many women are now opting to live alone (see thread on Single with a capital S).

I listened to Jordan Peterson's interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Peterson is incredibly fond of the sound of his own voice and Musk barely got a word in, but both clearly feel society needs to be steered by men like them, to make it the way they think it should be. They are concerned about the future and the declining birth rates in Western countries. But neither seemed to grasp that the reason is that men and women are diverging.

The majority of relationships fail and I believe that in the majority of cases the failure is down to men. Women have to give far more than they ever get in return from men - still shouldering the bulk of the domestic load and childcare while men act selfishly, take their families for granted and make a lot of poor life decisions based on their sexual urges.

So it's no surprise that as women become more educated, they choose to pursue more fulfilling lives focussed on careers, friendships and living alone.

But of course the future of humanity relies not just on men and women coexisting, but actually loving each other enough to procreate and raise well rounded children.

How is that going to happen if the social and political discourse is focused on a war between the sexes and men and women come to hate each other more and more?

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TheABC · 14/08/2024 08:03

Farting · 30/07/2024 21:54

I’m not being facetious.

Islam defines the rules between men and women. Non Islamic religions will degenerate as you suggest, but the Muslim population will not.

So, over time, you will be replaced by Muslims who successfully manage male / female relations and reproduce at a higher rate than non Muslims.

It’s very simple.

Really? Someone had better tell Iran (TFR of 1.69) and Turkey (1.89) that they are fudging their birth rate figures.

Muslim countries value education and health care as much as anyone else.

MagpiePi · 14/08/2024 08:35

sadabouti · 29/07/2024 17:15

Population collapse isn't likely anytime soon. There are plenty of countries with high birth rates who export their people as immigrants. Some may not like that (because of fears over race and religion etc), but it is a fact. Countries like Japan are at the coalface of population decline because they don't let many non-Japanese people in. We don't have that problem in the UK.

Are you confusing birth rate and overall population? Or are you saying that if a country lets in migrants, they have more babies than the native population thus increasing the overall population?

MagpiePi · 14/08/2024 08:38

Farting · 30/07/2024 21:54

I’m not being facetious.

Islam defines the rules between men and women. Non Islamic religions will degenerate as you suggest, but the Muslim population will not.

So, over time, you will be replaced by Muslims who successfully manage male / female relations and reproduce at a higher rate than non Muslims.

It’s very simple.

Some huge sweeping generalisations about muslims there!

sadabouti · 14/08/2024 14:45

@MagpiePi no. I am not confusing birth rate with overall population. The planet is not going to suffer a population collapse. Over population will continue to be a significant problem. I'm not that bothered whether the population of any one nation state waxes and wains. In the sweep of human history, it's a petty concern because every civilisation and culture dies in the end (whether because it is destroyed by some disaster or simply evolves so far that it becomes unrecognisable from what preceded it in terms of values and beliefs). Culture is temporary.

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