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The Rest is Politics on Women

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Superlambaanana · 06/07/2024 10:27

Did anyone else listen to the recent episode when Rory and Alastair discussed the trans issue. They've been avoiding the issue for ages - for reasons which became obvious when they did discuss it. They are both obviously terrified of the trans lobby.

They seemed to both agree (as they usually do despite the format supposedly being about opposing views aired respectfully). And their view is that we must all be kind. But that they didn't feel it was their place to talk about the issue in depth because they're not women. Not being politicians, Afghans, Israeli, American, etc etc doesn't seem to stop them talking about other political issues. But they can't talk about women's rights because they aren't women.

I suspect the real reason is because they are both pro trans and somewhat anti women - ie they like to think they are feminists but actually prefer women to stay in traditional roles.

I must say Alastair Campbell particularly is irking me more and more. I hadn't really formed much of a view about him before but he is very old fashioned and is still keen on spinning everything to strengthen his own positions rather than listening to any other opinions or accepting he is sometimes just wrong about things.

As a slight aside, they're both very weak on Northern Ireland too. Routinely referring to 'Ireland' when they mean Northern Ireland. Alastair Campbell went so far the other day to say the DUP were blockers to peace in NI. I have no time for the DUP's puritanical, anti women, dark age politics, but nevertheless, I think Sinn Fein and the IRA were a much bigger 'blocker to peace', having carried out a vicious, decades long bombing campaign. Reductionist maybe, but I think increasingly TRIP is showing itself as one dimensionally biased and unable to absorb opposing arguments or ideas.

I do still listen and realise I could just turn off!

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eurochick · 08/07/2024 22:26

I'm also disappointed. I am political Centrist and find myself agreeing with Rory on a lot of issues so I was disappointed with his treatment of this issue. I note also that when asked recently what their parents did both responded with what their fathers did (although they did have the good grace to call themselves out on this in a later episode).

Inthesnug · 08/07/2024 23:28

Alastair Campbell on Desert Island discs gives you a good insight into his personality. Doesn't come across well....

Superlambaanana · 09/07/2024 08:53

Oh @Inthesnug I haven't listened to that yet. I found Alastair Campbell slightly jarring from the start on TRIP. Just seems weirdly old fashioned on a lot of things and lives a very privileged life, yet he is obviously left wing, which seems incongruous with being a stuck in the mud. On women's rights he's pathetic, which again suggests he's left wing only in relation to men getting their fair share (and men's interpretation of their fair share is the lions share with women getting the scraps and expected to be delighted about the men's generosity).

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SideEyeSally · 09/07/2024 09:07

For me it's the hypocrisy of going on about prison reform, protecting the most vulnerable and the horror of conditions of those imprisoned by the state, with 0 reflection on what gender ideology means for women in prison.

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