Why do they still call it kiddy porn?

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Or child pornography.

To me, that sounds like consent. Children can’t consent. It’s child rape

I don't know anyone that does call it that! Where are you seeing this?

I still see it a lot online unfortunately

In slang maybe, but any serious discussion of it will call it 'images of child sexual abuse' or something along those lines.

I watched Donnie Brascoe the other day for the first time in a long time and it really jarred when the news reporter said they'd discovered Patrick Swayze's 'kiddie porn dungeon', you don't hear it referred to like that any more.

Sorry Donnie Darko

We don't use that term in social services, or in court.

It minimises the horror. Making a heinous crime into something a bit cutesy. It is revolting.

Media has only very recently stopped using 'child pornography' (BBC in 2018 were still using this phrase).

If we think how people still refer to 'custody' of a child when they mean 'residence' you can see how long (some) language changes can take to percolate through society.

I used to coach childrens rugby, I attended a schools safeguarding training on an inset day as they wouldn’t accept external training which is fine, the DSL running the session referred to it as child porn.

Because they're idiots. And because it's distancing: images of child sexual abuse is precise, clinical and leaves no room for error or doubt.

If you're seeing this on news headlines or articles, complain. I do. I haven't seen it for a while actually but I've been a bit off the news recently.

I work in criminal law and it amazes me the amount of colleagues involved in both prosecuting and representing the accused in such cases still use "child porn" as their preferred term outside of court.

I can only imagine to distance themselves from reality by calling it what it is - recordings of children being raped and/or sexually assaulted. The term child porn boils my blood, kiddy porn is even worse.

Child pornography is bad and the wrong way to describe it but "kiddy" porn is just nauseating. Who the Hell says that?

In the US, “child pornography” is the correct legal term, and the US and the UK consume each other’s media all the time. “Kiddy porn” sounds inappropriately casual, though.

I really don’t understand the whole “pornography implies consent” thing. First, haven’t we had numerous stories and accounts in the last several years about pornography where women felt coerced into doing various things on camera, or experienced a male performer doing something that they didn’t agree to? Second, people talk about “revenge porn” with the understanding that at least one person involved did not consent.

To copy-paste a dictionary definition, pornography is printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings. There’s nothing specifying that the material must be made consensually. I feel like “porn means there was consent, so don’t say ‘child porn’” probably started from people with a vested interest in not confronting various abuses in the porn industry.

Does the term pornography convey the intent of the images? I think I'd find it ambiguous to read 'images of child abuse / sexual assault' as that could also legitimately refer to medical evidence photographs of the abuse documented by doctors as evidence for court. Given in court is where you might find reference to both, I think distinction between why they exist is important?

This is a good point that I hadn’t thought of. I don’t know about the UK, but in US law, intent is important.

Another thing - what about underage teenagers who voluntarily take nudes of themselves and send them to boyfriends/girlfriends? Pornographic, involving children, but not “child sexual abuse material.”

I haven't seen it called that for ages. I don't know why it would indicate consent though. Lots of women in pornography are coerced. I know it's now unacceptable to call it child pornography, and therefore I wouldn't call it that. But I don't particularly see the logic behind the change.