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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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Perfectlystill · 26/11/2023 11:55

Those shoes are shocking! I'm guessing he's foreign as they sure as hell aren't in in this country!

Joonio · 26/11/2023 12:09

I quite like the shoes. I hope some of you can identify them.😀

LynetteScavo · 26/11/2023 13:21

I actually quite like the shoes! They are indeed quite continental. But if posters/trolls/whatever start commenting on her partners, she won't be able to have a partner in order to protect them. She will have to dump him/her and it will be all the fault of the trolls!

Raffington55 · 26/11/2023 18:41

Is she having a laugh??

Under the bikini pic (yawn)

"Oh, and a few years ago I'd never have posted a photo of my body like this. Having been told I was old, saggy and revolting I could hardly look at myself, let alone have anyone else look at me, I'd have hated so much about it".

Liz, nice try as an excuse to post this photo but you have been posting pics of your near-naked body non-stop for many years. Let's not pretend that's not the case.

She's just confirmed that even a new new relationship can't stop her desperation for attention. And her obsession with Mike, who she quotes bitchily yet again, despite claiming to be blissfully happy in a new relationship.

MademoiselleÉtoile · 26/11/2023 19:21

It' pretty depressing really that her desperate need for validation controls her. As does her enduring ED. Liz is an average looking woman in the flesh, but her desire to be seen as more anything- thinner, faster, important or special is part of her sickness. Her continued 'look at me' posts, her obsession with ageing, and the tedious narrative that most woman must be jealous. I genuinely feel sorry for her, having a life dictated by her looks fading, realising she is like everyone else, and not being able to control most of it. What she can control consumes her. She is anything but happy, despite her daily declarations.

Barelybarefoot · 26/11/2023 22:09

If she is in Venice with a man, which her writing suggests she forgets she is, if she is, he has the patience of a saint. Holding her coat while she runs, swims and sets up her tripod. Some might say there is a fine line between patience and being driven to drink 🤷‍♀️

Shortbread49 · 27/11/2023 05:50

I think she is there alone just taking pics of 2 cups of coffee to pretend otherwise

AutumnLeaves55 · 27/11/2023 06:35

@Shortbread49 Agreed!

RhinoRhino · 27/11/2023 07:41

What’s with all the temperature stuff? Is this a new way to feel superior? Walking round Venice in the cold of the early morning? Running when it’s cold? Swimming in the sea on a cold day? Competitive temperature endurance is a new one on me.

And agree with posts above. Another solo holiday in Venice, and no signs of work for the Venice hotels while she’s there. I’m guessing there won’t be a new Substack Flying Solo post about this latest holiday for one.

I imagine custody arrangements with a former partner - where there remains huge amounts of animosity - can be pretty tricky to negotiate, but there would be no shame in staying close, spending the time with supportive family and friends the first significant celebration you spend away from your young child. Also no shame in being sad and feeling you’re missing out. For a mother to want to spend their child's birthday with them would be a very natural reaction. I don’t get the need to pretend you are on the holiday of a lifetime, put weird focus on how good you are at being cold, and make ambiguous posts to try to suggest you are in Venice with a lover.

Liz might be convincing herself, but I doubt she’s convincing anybody else.

Shortbread49 · 27/11/2023 07:52

She must walk round with a thermometer

Melszone · 27/11/2023 08:12

So many contradictions.

This trip has been an absolute life-changer so far, and I can never remember being happier at home here in Venezia. Yet focused on the unhealed past

Having been told I was old, saggy and revolting I could hardly look at myself, let alone have anyone else look at me, I'd have hated so much about it. The natural aging process does this. Should I and more women be hating their bodies?I’m comfortable with how mine looks but is Liz suggesting I’m wrong to be? Wrong to let people see my body in changing rooms, the beach, my home?

Body shaming does that to people, so don't. Is Liz body shaming women who are not healthy, fit and strong?

And now? I LOVE my body again, I'm healthy, fit and strong.

RhinoRhino · 27/11/2023 08:20

And .... it's celsius. Not celcius.

Shortbread49 · 27/11/2023 08:39

Don’t forget she is a sharp copy writer

Melszone · 27/11/2023 08:52

She’s been doing the “your correspondent, live from” temperature checks for months now. I assume to prove how powerful and control she is in extremes lesser women couldn’t? Run in searing heat / swim in freezing cold. Like solo parent and suffer abuses lesser women couldn’t? Have a fitter, slimmer, younger body that weaker women and on it goes.

Melszone · 27/11/2023 08:54

Not when this hot/cold it’s not. You try spelling correctly in these extremes 🙄

GinnyWoolf · 27/11/2023 09:02

I read the temperature-checks from my nice warm sofa, shivered and thought 'does anybody actually need to know any of this?'

Physicsrevision · 27/11/2023 10:04

As another poster said earlier, so much to unpack. This time in this article from 2011. The Daily Mail of course, a paper no right minded feminist would encourage by writing for and promoting its ideals.

I can’t keep up with the timeline of Liz’s life, but you’d not think this was written by someone who’s battled body issues since she was 15, so 30+ years. She’s known M, 8? Therefore he’s not the only trigger.

I’m not 100% clear on all that defines body shaming, but…

“Phoebe, who has just turned 11, had turned into a sweaty, par-boiled lobster and desperately wanted to take her T-shirt off to cool down. But she didn’t. When I asked her why on earth not, she said in an exasperated voice, as if I didn’t understand anything, ‘Mum, I can’t take my top off in a park. People will stare and point!’” I’m not convinced she said people will point. Perhaps because I’m 11, secondary school age and like it or not, I want to be like my contemporaries.

“To realise that my own daughter already feels this way came as a real shock to me. I was raised by parents who never shied away from stripping off and jumping in a mountain lake or sunbathing topless on the beach, and I was never even aware of my own nakedness as a pre-pubescent girl. Naked or not — it made no difference to me. I felt totally free, and happy.” As a 15 year old though, awareness of her body led to a diagnosis of bulimia and decades of challenges.

“What’s even more extraordinary is that violence and bad language are tolerated far more liberally than nudity on television and in films, especially in the U.S. and UK. The message our children pick up is that blasting each other to pieces and using foul, aggressive, threatening language is fine and dandy, but showing a nipple? Perish the thought!” Well this describes Liz to a t; blasting each other to pieces and using foul, aggressive, threatening language is fine and dandy!

“And so despite the fact that I appear to be in the distinct minority, I continue to fight hard against our very British culture of bizarre, unhelpful prudishness.I still change in the middle of the changing room at my local pool, without adopting body-shielding tactics. I know my children find this a little bit odd, and probably wish I didn’t. When nobody else is naked, why is Mummy?” So making our children feel uncomfortable is ok?

Raffington55 · 27/11/2023 12:57

Funny that Liz said when she publicly claimed to be in a relationship that her new man was as sporty, outdoorsy, daring and active etc as can be yet he doesn't seem to be doing any running with her? His foot is strategically photographed next to hers on a boat on the way for a run in her stories and she is dressed for it - he's wearing another questionable shoe (maroon this time) - but he's not dressed for a run at all.

I think this might have been 'borrow a fake boyfriend' weekend.

Hardyards · 27/11/2023 14:16

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Raffington55 · 27/11/2023 18:08

I am suspicious that Liz has concocted this new relationship, announcing it well in advance (then mysteriously removing the silly coat post) because Scout's birthday fell on a weekend that Mike was due to have her. Imagine her FURY!! So a plan to one-up him was set in motion. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Tortiemiaw · 27/11/2023 20:17

She's forgotten all about her selfless mission to save ALL WOMEN and is fancying herself as a poetic travel connoisseur now. Sickly prose about 'venezia'🤮
Really positive reading from a women's refuge wouldn't you agree?

Umbrellaisback · 27/11/2023 21:31

This inadvertent error made me laugh. walk over brides. Well yes quite

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Perfectlystill · 27/11/2023 22:06

Weirdly narrow little feet her companion has in the dodgy burgundy bootees.

Makes her feet look big and wide in comparison.

But that can't be right because she is the thinnest, smallest, narrowest, most petite ickle girl there ever was, isn't she?

Physicsrevision · 27/11/2023 22:34

Maybe he’s had to start eating his feet. A bite of stale baguette and a swig of warm wine on the run isn’t enough to sustain most people 😜

Shortbread49 · 27/11/2023 22:40

Maybe it’s a woman

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