Russell Brand latest: police begin inquiries (share token from The Times)

Sleepo · 17/09/2023 16:59

Good.

AliciaLime · 17/09/2023 17:07

God, just going by the extracts from his book, he’s foul.

Riva5784 · 17/09/2023 17:22

It was always obvious that he was an absolute misogynist, even before these latest revelations. Sadly, none of it surprises me.

Crumbcatcher · 17/09/2023 17:38

Thank you for the share token.

Beaverbridge · 17/09/2023 17:41

Good. No more than he deserves.

BigPussyEnergy · 17/09/2023 18:56

Isn’t the investigation going to be compromised now that the TV prog has been aired? I’d have preferred for the police to do their job first and then air the grotesque details for anyone who’s interested afterwards. Why did they feel the need to publish the story first?

Freezingcoldinseptember · 17/09/2023 18:58

Isn't the law innocent until proven guilty?

Calistano · 17/09/2023 19:01

Good. I can't believe anyone was shocked about Marilyn mansions conduct after reading his book. The things they admit to are bad, nevermind the things that never get reported. In plainsight indeed.

Calistano · 17/09/2023 19:03

Even cuddly national treasures are shaggers, not intimating non consensual but seriously, puts you off a person.

LemonRedwood · 17/09/2023 19:05

BigPussyEnergy · 17/09/2023 18:56

Isn’t the investigation going to be compromised now that the TV prog has been aired? I’d have preferred for the police to do their job first and then air the grotesque details for anyone who’s interested afterwards. Why did they feel the need to publish the story first?

I believe it would be if there was already a court process happening, i.e. if he was already on trial. But as he's not then it's technically not compromising.

Disclaimer, IANAL.

LemonRedwood · 17/09/2023 19:07

Freezingcoldinseptember · 17/09/2023 18:58

Isn't the law innocent until proven guilty?

Yes, and the law currently sees him as innocent. That's why he hasn't been charged with anything or sentenced in any way.

People are allowed to form opinions about other people though, based on available information.

Freezingcoldinseptember · 17/09/2023 19:10

Hardly chance of a fair trial now though surely?

LemonRedwood · 17/09/2023 19:15

Definitely not an expert in this and I can see your point, but what's been presented in the documentary are essentially witness testimonies - alleged victims giving their side of the story, which would be classed as evidence in court. I suppose it's up to police and CPS to decide if they want to prosecute now the allegations have been made, or if a case would be thrown out because it would be compromised and the evidence deemed inadmissable in any way.

Freezingcoldinseptember · 17/09/2023 19:26

So how can those witnesses have evidence recorded as evidence when it's all over the news?

Danielle9891 · 17/09/2023 19:30

Good but it won't be a fair trial now. Some of these allegations are over 10 years old and It will be hard for the police to prove anything.

I can understand how the people accusing him didn't go to the police at the time though. They very rarely do anything and it's one person's word against the other. Especially when it's against a celebrity who has money for the best lawyers.

Riva5784 · 17/09/2023 19:35

There is virtual impunity for rapists in this country. Rape Crisis England says less than 2 in 100 rapes recorded by police in 2022 resulted in a charge, let alone a conviction. And most rapes are never even reported to the police. Including the ones in the Times report.

icallitasplodge · 17/09/2023 19:48

Innocent until proven guilty.

but how does a person become proven guilty if the police do not charge. Or if the perpetrators lawyers would drag up every last thing to use against you.

LemonRedwood · 17/09/2023 19:50

Freezingcoldinseptember · 17/09/2023 19:26

So how can those witnesses have evidence recorded as evidence when it's all over the news?

Because it's still their statement of what happened no matter which fora it's been presented in?

I've been on a jury for a rape case. It wasn't national news but had been all over the more local papers. Didn't stop the case being brought, nor additional evidence being presented during the case.

PurpleMonkeys · 17/09/2023 19:55

It shouldn't take a Newspaper and TV Station to get the cops to do something, but it's good something is happening.

aduckinarow · 17/09/2023 20:04

It seems no complaints were made to police so how can they have done anything?

BluebellsForest · 17/09/2023 20:08

BigPussyEnergy · 17/09/2023 18:56

Isn’t the investigation going to be compromised now that the TV prog has been aired? I’d have preferred for the police to do their job first and then air the grotesque details for anyone who’s interested afterwards. Why did they feel the need to publish the story first?

Im sure everyone involved (apart from Brand and his protectors) would have been very grateful if the police and legal system had done their jobs. It doesn't happen often though, does it? Hence the investigative journalism.

aduckinarow · 17/09/2023 20:12

For any legal system to do,their job a complaint needs to be brought to them and for them to be made aware or do you think that all cps lawyers and police have powers of telepathy ?

BluebellsForest · 17/09/2023 20:16

aduckinarow · 17/09/2023 20:12

For any legal system to do,their job a complaint needs to be brought to them and for them to be made aware or do you think that all cps lawyers and police have powers of telepathy ?

Are you genuinely saying that you are unaware of why many, many victims of sexual assault don't report? And what happens to many of those that do?

aduckinarow · 17/09/2023 20:18

No that's not what I'm saying but I am saying for action to be taken by police/cps/ courts it has to be brought to their attention else they don't know about it and cannot deal with specific allegations if there aren't any made !

It's not rocket science .

MavisMcMinty · 17/09/2023 21:53

Thank you for the share token.

Nazir Afzal, a former chief prosecutor, praised the reporting by Times and Sunday Times as a “meticulously researched & sourced investigation”, adding: “There’s a world of difference between Russell Brand’s description of himself as ‘promiscuous’ & these women’s description of him as a rapist & sexual predator. I know whom I believe. You?”

As a woman I am always going to lean towards a woman’s version of events until evidence proves otherwise, in a case of he-said-she-said.