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Magaluf: what causes this pack mentality in some men?

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countdowntonap · 20/08/2023 11:55

Just read the judge’s comments from the recent gang rape of a young British woman in Magaluf. Phone evidence (from the men’s own phones!) shows eight men either involved in sexually assaulting or passively watching (and recording) the unconscious girl, who was in no position to give consent.
Looking at the photos of the men arrested, they appear to be fairly young. What on Earth leads a young group of friends on holiday to perform this action? Why did they all go along with it?
I can understand how evil people find each other online to commit atrocities, but can’t understand how a group of friends can all be of the same mentality. How many others would do the same? It’s terrifying.

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Maddy70 · 24/08/2023 10:55

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality

It's psychological herd mentality Peper see others acting so that part of the brain takes over and seems "normal" where it wouldn't happen at another time

That poor Girll

napody · 24/08/2023 21:01

'Pack mentality' is in the thread title so I think the OP understands that bit- lots of responses saying 'because herd mentality' aren't really adding much.

I read it 'this pack mentality' as related to the specific situation, so 'what makes men join in with sexual violence?'

And it's misogyny, porn culture, the knowledge that rape is effectively legalised.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 24/08/2023 23:38

Some great posts on this thread garlic Sad

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 24/08/2023 23:41

Wow

On a thread discussing a particularly nasty and unusual gang rape by virtual strangers we have to have a posters reminding us that sometimes women do bad things too

Un fucking believable Confused

TheaBrandt · 25/08/2023 01:52

That poster also tried to draw an equivalence beteeen this sickening event and some women in an office being mean to a colleague. No words.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 25/08/2023 09:47

napody · 24/08/2023 21:01

'Pack mentality' is in the thread title so I think the OP understands that bit- lots of responses saying 'because herd mentality' aren't really adding much.

I read it 'this pack mentality' as related to the specific situation, so 'what makes men join in with sexual violence?'

And it's misogyny, porn culture, the knowledge that rape is effectively legalised.

This is how I've read OP too.

There is no way actually to compare these actions to ANYTHING a woman would do

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 25/08/2023 09:50

And yes actually the fact that there may have been some men approached who didn't join in but yet didn't report it? They could be dads, husbands, brothers of girls and women.

This takes a few chinks out of the NAMALT

Too Many Men Are Like That

napody · 25/08/2023 15:55

I mean it is a type of herd mentality, it's just the 'herd' is the entire patriarchal society. 3 men in a hotel room you're passing is not a 'herd' that you feel psychological pressure to join in and commit atrocities with.

Too Many Men Are Like That 👏- going to use that one.

PuddleMud · 25/08/2023 15:56

Testosterone and cultural conditioning.

newnamethanks · 25/08/2023 20:51

I've seen the Spanish football kisser today, hadn't seen the footage before. The entitlement. The 'look at me, the alpha male' flows off him. His subsequent press conference is a masterpiece of narcissistic self-justification and snivelling 'its not fair, I'm just being a man'. The Spanish Womens team are now refusing to play until he resigns. Good for them. Male entitlement across the bloody board.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/08/2023 20:56

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 24/08/2023 23:41

Wow

On a thread discussing a particularly nasty and unusual gang rape by virtual strangers we have to have a posters reminding us that sometimes women do bad things too

Un fucking believable Confused

Happens EVERY. TIME. Along with the NAMALT's. I can't read these posts anymore where we (women) try and discuss male violence. A NAMALT is always the third or fourth post.

TMMALT.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/08/2023 20:57

But but but... women are violent too waah waah waaaah. Just fuck off.

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/08/2023 20:59

newnamethanks · 25/08/2023 20:51

I've seen the Spanish football kisser today, hadn't seen the footage before. The entitlement. The 'look at me, the alpha male' flows off him. His subsequent press conference is a masterpiece of narcissistic self-justification and snivelling 'its not fair, I'm just being a man'. The Spanish Womens team are now refusing to play until he resigns. Good for them. Male entitlement across the bloody board.

If you look at the way he holds her head, there is not the remotest chance she can avoid the kiss. It's vice-like. The ownership and arrogance of it!

TheaBrandt · 25/08/2023 21:03

Can you imagine that the other way round? As women we are bloody fed up of it and done with being polite and pandering to men’s feelings. Some women are violent and awful but hardly any not anywhere near the scale that men are - it’s laughable to even try to argue otherwise.

newnamethanks · 25/08/2023 22:40

We are not here to be mauled - manhandled - at the whim of any passing male. So depressing to see some posters on this thread trying to justify it. What is it? Stockholm Syndrome or similar?

sashagabadon · 25/08/2023 22:47

Try imagining a young man/ boy being sexually assaulted by a group of women and then other women ( strangers) being invited to join in the assault and actually doing so. Would that ever ever happen? I would bet my mortgage not!

Chequeredred · 26/08/2023 14:01

Couldn’t help but notice on booking.com there is a review of that same hotel BH Mallorca (?) in Magaluf from August 9th from another woman. Has anyone read the reviews on there?

countdowntonap · 26/08/2023 14:42

@Chequeredred I hadn’t, but have now. It’s just all too frequent.

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 26/08/2023 16:08

This. Mason Greenwood. That sleaze ball Spanish FA guy.

And that's just a few. Tip of the iceberg.

RosaGallica · 26/08/2023 21:56

This is the species that invented nuclear weapons. Every thing useful gets turned into a weapon. Not by women, but by men. They have always spread rumours and fears of women doing the same to excuse themselves at every turn - witness the old myth about boy-child-killing feminists, by the species that regularly around the world kills females for not being as valuable as males.

HRTQueen · 28/08/2023 00:26

Pack mentality and sadly I think most men can easily fall into this pattern of behaviour especially when drink and drugs are involved not just the more aggressive men

of course 24 access to hardcore porn, the dehumanising of women (particularly if they are from a different culture or are sex workers) the ingrained belief that men have to have sex plays it’s part

you see this a lot of Thailand and Amsterdam men out for sex they know they can have as it’s their right it’s really unnerving to see it made me feel ill and I feel so sorry for the women who have to deal with these men it must be soul destroying

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