Women endangered by police for coronation

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Buried in the middle of Grauniad article about the Republic arrests, the police arrested workers issuing rape alarms as part of a project called "Night Stars". Night Stars is run by Westminster Council with Home Office funding to help keep safe the women who work at night in places like Soho.

Adam Hug, the Labour leader of Westminster city council, said he was “urgently pushing the police for proper answers” after three council volunteers were arrested at about 2am on Saturday in Soho and later released on bail after they were found in possession of rape alarms. Police said “military colleagues” had believed such devices could be used to disrupt parading horses, posing “significant risk to the safety of the public and the riders”.

The council, however, said the devices were for the Night Stars volunteers to give out to vulnerable women and they were funded by a Home Office grant.

Can we talk about how women's safety has been undermined by the same Metropolitan Police force that employed the rapist-murderer of Sarah Everard (no, I will not write his name) so that a rich powerful man can have a crown put on his head?

It's a problem when women's issues are treated as the property of resentful, petty-minded and envious leftists. Opposing violence against women and girls doesn't go hand-in-hand with opposing the monarchy you know!

'Envious' is interesting.

You can have your own Venn diagram as well, where your work on women's issues correlates with other things.

And frankly, after years when i would have seen myself as a leftie, I no longer do. Still anti-monarchy and anti-police overreach. Since the Criminal Justice Bill marches. Lots of police overreach then too.

Opposing violence against women and girls doesn't go hand-in-hand with opposing the monarchy you know!

What stops someone pro-monarchy from objecting to the unlawful arrests of people who are doing lawful work that the police are partners to, pray?

This insinuation that someone who supports the monarchy must be willing to go along with the police abusing their powers isn't a good look for monarchists.

You keep asserting that the police were abusing their powers in this incidence, but you have no evidence to support that claim!

It wouldn't matter if the parade was Pride or the investiture of an elected mayor or even the inauguration of the first president of the People's Communist Republic of Great Britain. I would still object to night safety workers being arrested for handing out rape alarms.

This is not about the monarchy.

If it was Pride, I'd be handing out the alarms myself. 😂

What else do you call arresting someone who really should not have been arrested?

One rule for the people you agree with and another for those you don't agreed with. It certainly explains all your contributions to this thread.

It's entirely possible the police weren't abusing their powers.

In which case a much wider debate is needed about those powers and their extent.

And for all the wokey-frippery bollocks about pronouns and "da feelzs" it's only original stylee natural born women that can be raped. For the agency that laughingly is tasked with protecting us to disarm us is beyond chilling.

One rule for the people you agree with and another for those you don't agreed with.

Yes.

it's only original stylee natural born women that can be raped

No, but..

• we make up six in seven victims
• we are the rape victims who can be made pregnant
• we cannot rape

I do agree, the police are a big problem.

And here I was thinking that you were here to debate in good faith, with some shared values about the rule of law applying to everyone equally.

Delay it? They hand them out every Friday and Saturday night and the police know it because they are involved with Westminster’s night safety scheme. They train the volunteers.

If the police are absolutely right, why on the receipt of credible info did they not contact Westminster and ask the volunteers not to hand them out that night? It would have been easy enough to do.

And why did they delete their initial tweet that referred to throwing rape alarms not using them? If having something in your possession that could be thrown at a horse anywhere in central London not just the parade route is an offence we are all in trouble.

If having something in your possession that could be thrown at a horse anywhere in central London not just the parade route is an offence we are all in trouble.

Keys, wallet, water bottle, phone...

It's because they don't want to admit that the real reason was to stop the alarms being used to make noise as part of a protest. They don't want to admit that they are cracking down on protest because they know how bad the optics of that are.

Pride started as a protest against the criminalisation of homosexuality. While I agree that it has degenerated into a capitalist wokefest since then, its roots are more noble than any coronation as they are the start of the fight for gay people's civil rights.

"We've done it this way for ages" doesn't mean it's still a good idea.

As for "freak show", I'd say that having a huge parade and ceremony to make someone the head of the English branch of the imaginary sky fairy's fan club is pretty weird behaviour too. And those robes, they look like something a live action role player would wear to play a wizard.

My point being that you aren't the sole arbiter of which parades are and aren't worth having.

We are back to laws that only need to be applied against "the wrong type".

Much like the sus laws mysteriously only ever applied to young black men.

One of the markers of tyranny is laws that are applied arbitrarily. Something which the UK has always had, by the way - it never went away.

Horses trained to deal with fireworks, gunfire and brass bands might bolt into the crowd at the sound of a rape alarm?

gosh that’s very specific!

what about car and burglar alarms? Did the police deactivate all if those within earshot too?

@FictionalCharacter hear! hear!

what about car and burglar alarms? Did the police deactivate all if those within earshot too?

I can see the next protest being people using their car horns in concert at "divers places in the Kings peace" (I think we need to get used to old spelling as we go back in time). Which some people might be grateful isn't a tactic Just Stop Oil can use.

Show throwing has a long and proud tradition in the history of protest.

And of course a well timed fart. Especially if you can ignite it.

I can see the police confiscating prunes, artichokes and beanz soon.

One of the markers of tyranny is laws that are applied arbitrarily.

Another marker is the state and its various organs then lying about doing so.

the head of the English branch of the imaginary sky fairy's fan club

A church that only exists because a man who went on to become a serial wife killer wanted a divorce. But yeah, really valuable ceremony, that.