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Stella Creasy says police ‘green lighting’ trolls to target politicians’ children

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nettie434 · 30/04/2023 08:33

The MP Stella Creasy was investigated by children's social care after it received a report from a men's rights activist who was trying to have her children taken away from her. A spokesperson for Leicestershire Police said that the activist was entitled to complain that her 'extremist views' placed her children at risk.

Another example of a person being investigated after a vexatious complaint to the police.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/29/stella-creasy-targeted-by-troll-who-tried-to-have-her-children-removed-report

Stella Creasy says police ‘green lighting’ trolls to target politicians’ children

MP questions police response that troll who tried to have her children removed was ‘entitled’ to call her an ‘extremist’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/29/stella-creasy-targeted-by-troll-who-tried-to-have-her-children-removed-report

OP posts:

Brefugee · 02/05/2023 20:21

Felix125 · 02/05/2023 19:40

Brefugee
the man doesn't know her or her children.......

And do you know this 100%

Or what is his actual complaint?

oh mate, you can read. He has no connection to her.

This is the whole bloody point and you steadfastly refuse to entertain the idea that it happens. But it does.
And the police are worse than useless.

RoseslnTheHospital · 02/05/2023 20:27

Felix125 · 02/05/2023 19:54

RoseslnTheHospital

Its "are the views", RoseslnTheHospital

Nope. Don't mind being corrected, but only by a correct correction....!

RoseslnTheHospital · 02/05/2023 20:27

Felix125 · 02/05/2023 19:57

RoseslnTheHospital

Its also "womens' trust", RoseslnTheHospital

Also nope! But thanks for trying.

RafaistheKingofClay · 02/05/2023 20:28

I wasn’t going to say anything about ‘it’s’ but if we’re detailing the thread…

RafaistheKingofClay · 02/05/2023 20:29

Derailing FFS.

Knew that would happen and I still didn’t proof read.

RoseslnTheHospital · 02/05/2023 20:31

Sorry, I will stop derailing and stop interacting with the police-splainer. I should know better.

Felix125 · 02/05/2023 20:46

Brefugee · 02/05/2023 20:21

oh mate, you can read. He has no connection to her.

This is the whole bloody point and you steadfastly refuse to entertain the idea that it happens. But it does.
And the police are worse than useless.

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So what's his actual complaint then?

OhHolyJesus · 03/05/2023 07:10

Will this help Creasy see the parallels?

"Creasy talks about the importance of free speech, but rather than demanding the police stop intervening in verbal exchanges, she calls for more state regulation. Having long campaigned for hate crime laws to be expanded to include misogyny, Creasy – who has made her name campaigning for single-issue policies – now wants harsher penalties for those who make malicious complaints to social services.
It is horrific to think your children might be taken away because of something you have said. Creasy should never have been put in this position. But changing this situation – and ensuring other mums don’t suffer a similar fate – requires undoing legislation that criminalises speech, not adding to it. Laws designed to punish those who cause offence are quickly turned against women who defend their sex-based rights."

www.spectator.co.uk/article/where-was-stella-creasy-when-other-mums-were-being-harassed-for-their-views/

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 09:25

"...Children are incredibly vulnerable. We don't want people punished for raising concerns for their safety. Absolutely no one should be worried to report the abuse of children in case it gets them in trouble with the police....." PurpleBugz

Taken from another thread, but it makes a good valid point.

Thelnebriati · 03/05/2023 10:15

Felix125 So what's his actual complaint then?

''they were very clear, because I’ve never seen the actual original complaint he made, it was entirely about my views and the risk to my children of me having what he considered to be extreme views and indeed what the police in Leicestershire said could be considered extreme views … ie being a feminist.''

Social Services recognised the complaint as vexatious harassment, were concerned about her safety and reported him to the police.
The police say he is entitled to his views.

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 10:29

So he is entitled to his views - many people on here say that we should not be policing people's views & opinions and I agree.

He raises a view that her children will be effected by those views.

His compliant was looked at and kicked into touch after examination and Stella's children were not removed from her.

Does that briefly summarise it?

Thelnebriati · 03/05/2023 10:40

No. Social Services were so concerned about the volume and tone of his complaints that they were concerned for the safety of Stella Creasey and her family.
They raised the issue with the HOC police, who in turn passed it to the local police.

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 10:52

So it was investigated then?

And what ever his complaint was, it was kicked out

Thelnebriati · 04/05/2023 10:56

No, complaints made to SS cannot be 'kicked out'. They open a file that cannot be deleted, all they can do is mark it as vexatious harassment.
While its correct that all complaints about child abuse should be investigated, its also the case that knowingly making false complaints takes resources away from investigating real cases.

The complaint SS made to the police about his harassment and how they dealt with it is a second, separate issue. The police decided he has a right to his view that feminism is an extremist belief. It was 'kicked out' in the sense that they are taking no action against him. He is not prevented from making further allegations against the same person in the future. If he does, SS will have to reopen the file.

He doesn't know Stella Creasey. He has no contact with her or her children. His complaints are entirely ideological, but the system has no mechanism from preventing men from harassing women like this.

Felix125 · 04/05/2023 11:21

Its not just men that make vexatious complainants by the way

So both SS and the police are taking no further action.

If it can be proven that his complaint is totally false and vexatious, he can be prosecuted for this.

The file can not be deleted - that way, the pattern of their behaviour is recorded.

But if you agree that all complaints about child abuse should be investigated, at what point do we start ignoring his complaint or ignore any further complaints against Stella?

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