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Naked Education: Men strip in front of school girls

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AbsolutePixels · 05/04/2023 22:40

Has anyone seen the new Channel 4 series 'Naked Education'? I've just seen the trailer, and it seems very much in the same vein as 'The Family Sex Show'. Interspersed with platitudes about body positivity are some rather disturbing scenes, including one in which three men strip off in front of a group of schoolgirls.

I can't work out how to link the trailer, but if you Google it, you'll find it. He're a glowing review from the Guardian, with a rather creepy byline: 'giggling blushing teens!'.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/apr/04/naked-education-review-the-look-at-pubic-hair-is-wonderfully-revelatory

Naked Education review – the look at pubic hair is wonderfully revelatory

Giggling, blushing teens! Unbridled nudity! It’s yet another Anna Richardson show about nakedness, but surprisingly, this one features genuine moments of wisdom

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/apr/04/naked-education-review-the-look-at-pubic-hair-is-wonderfully-revelatory

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Whatdayisitalexa · 06/04/2023 12:20

It wasn't pixelated, but much less to see than on naked attraction (which really does show how different bodies look) it was more showing that it wasn't normal or necessary for an adult body to be bald or freaky to have pubic hair. These teenagers more than likely have seen plenty of porn online and feel they are expected to remove theirs as soon as it grows

Aintnosupermum · 06/04/2023 12:26

Helenahandkart · 06/04/2023 09:02

But children are looking at dreadful hardcore pornography when they’re still in primary school. Raising the age of consent doesn’t stop children from being exposed to sexual imagery. The internet has made sure of that.
I watched the programme last night and didn’t find it alarming at all. The children were looking at naked bodies, but there was no sexual element to what was happening. It was a live biology lesson really.
I thought that it provided the children with a healthy view of what naked bodies really look like, rather than the peculiar images they’re constantly exposed to in pornography and advertising.
It was pretty tame really.

If children in primary school are looking at hardcore porn, those children need to be protected by the authorities because their parents are clearly not parenting.

I have an 11 and 10 year old. Both have autism. They are addicted to being online. I manage to keep them offline. They can read a book and if they want to see a naked body that isn’t theirs they have a pass to the art museum which shows nudes from various era’s beautifully.

I think the concept of the show is noble but the execution is lacking. It should be something shown to teens at home by their parents if they wish their children to see it.

cestlavielife · 06/04/2023 12:29

Meredusoleil · 06/04/2023 12:04

What do you mean? There was no pixellating in the episode I saw!

Ah sorry. The clips online are pixellated.

Dahliass · 06/04/2023 12:34

It's a goodish idea because of porn but I feel like they could use other methods instead of live naked adults. Animations, AI for example. I worked in healthcare and my first job I didn't even realise even young people have cellulite and some sagging. I thought I had a really bad body because of what I'd seen in the media and porn. My body is perfectly normal compared to the rest of the population. Working in healthcare definitely made me realise what humans actually look like

lostinfusion · 06/04/2023 12:54

absolutely wrong - why can they not promote body positivity in a bikini or swim shorts?

Isheabastard · 06/04/2023 13:05

I haven’t watched it, but I saw a trailer.

what stood out to me was why were there more naked women than men? (unless it was equal in the show).

And the clip of the children I saw were mostly the girls hiding their faces, making ewww faces or that embarrassed laugh.

The two boys faces were just open mouthed surprise. Altogether just less negative emotion from them. Again there seemed to be more girls than boys in the trailer?

Menopants · 06/04/2023 13:09

One of the hosts is an ex love island contestant so I found it hard to take him earnestly talking about harmful body image trends when he was complicit a show that is one of the worst drivers of harmful body image trends

purpleme12 · 06/04/2023 13:28

I know some have obviously watched this on this thread but there are some that clearly haven't.
Why comment if you haven't watched.
You can't make an informed opinion if you haven't watched can you

AbsolutePixels · 06/04/2023 13:32

I don't understand what's so progressive about allowing middle age guys to expose themselves to teenage girls, much less why this is being subsidised by license fee payers. There are ugly, fat men with their dicks out all over the internet, they're not an oppressed group that need platforming in this way!

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Helenahandkart · 06/04/2023 13:53

A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about a programme they haven’t even watched.
The programme wasn’t sexual. Nudity doesn’t equal sex. There’s nothing inherently sexual about nudity.
I’m not sure how they could have highlighted the differences in pubic hair by making everyone wear swim shorts. The segment involving the teenagers was a discussion about body autonomy and how it’s ok to be hairy if you want to be.
Looking at nudes in a museum isn’t going to redress the balance of pornography’s influence on children, and their expectations of what their bodies ought to look like as they grow up.
And if you think you’re going to protect your kids from seeing porn on the internet then you’re being a bit naive. If they’re not looking at it at home, then they’re seeing it at friends’ houses. Children are curious about this stuff. When we were young we would find magazines in hedges and pore over them. And those magazines were a whole lot worse than the very dry content of a C4 sex education programme.

Crocodilekneecaps · 06/04/2023 13:58

Watch the show before commenting

Whatdayisitalexa · 06/04/2023 14:56

AbsolutePixels · 06/04/2023 13:32

I don't understand what's so progressive about allowing middle age guys to expose themselves to teenage girls, much less why this is being subsidised by license fee payers. There are ugly, fat men with their dicks out all over the internet, they're not an oppressed group that need platforming in this way!

Channel 4 is not paid by the TV licence fee

Whatdayisitalexa · 06/04/2023 14:59

I thought it was ironic that the guest they had on GMTV that was anti, wore a head covering

highfidelity · 06/04/2023 16:20

Lewishamparent · 06/04/2023 09:18

Couldn't agree more. I watched it and thought it was pretty good tbh

Thirded.

One only needs to look at some of the thread on here about body hair, specifically pubic hair, where many state that it's unhygienic when the opposite is true. On this note alone, am glad this programme was made as it was very clear that body hair serves a purpose and not only this, that it's ok not to bow to peer pressure to remove it.

Teaching impressionable teens about body autonomy is a good thing, surely.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/04/2023 20:04

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/04/2023 22:52

Channel Four used to make really good educational and arts programmes. Now it’s just a soft porn channel. Why do we have to subsidise this through the licence fee?

IIRC Eurotrash used to be broadcast on C4 in earlier days.

Gagagardener · 07/04/2023 09:09

Haven't watched, but I agree with posters who think children should know what normal real adults look like without clothes on. Other countries are much less uptight than ours.

LlynTegid · 07/04/2023 15:01

Via video link OK to me, yes teenagers should be aware of normal bodies, especially teenage boys. No need to be present in the same room.

L353A1 · 08/04/2023 18:30

Helenahandkart · 06/04/2023 09:02

But children are looking at dreadful hardcore pornography when they’re still in primary school. Raising the age of consent doesn’t stop children from being exposed to sexual imagery. The internet has made sure of that.
I watched the programme last night and didn’t find it alarming at all. The children were looking at naked bodies, but there was no sexual element to what was happening. It was a live biology lesson really.
I thought that it provided the children with a healthy view of what naked bodies really look like, rather than the peculiar images they’re constantly exposed to in pornography and advertising.
It was pretty tame really.

That was my thinking, too. I liked the fact that they corrected myths that teenagers hold. The boy who thought that pubic hair was unhygienic and like to spread STIs was gently put right - the opposite is the case . Nothing pervy going on. just giving young people realistic expectations and challenging the myths caused by porn. Very body positive.

StephanieSuperpowers · 09/04/2023 08:33

I'm interested in the adults. How did they find grown ups to shrug off their grots in front of teenagers and what did they get out of it?

No power on earth* would persuade me.

*Maybe slight hyperbole

dick27 · 12/04/2023 12:21

Hugely important message, poor delivery

BadgerFacedCoo · 12/04/2023 20:57

StephanieSuperpowers · 09/04/2023 08:33

I'm interested in the adults. How did they find grown ups to shrug off their grots in front of teenagers and what did they get out of it?

No power on earth* would persuade me.

*Maybe slight hyperbole

There's probably a list, somewhere.

Travelfan2021 · 12/04/2023 21:01

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PortiasBiscuit · 12/04/2023 21:03

I am very positive about my body, but I also know that nobody really needs to see it.

CatsAddictedToDreamies · 13/04/2023 14:06

Clymene · 06/04/2023 09:11

Every time you go to the beach you see that most people don't look like porn stars.

This. There is no scenario where an adult has to parade naked in front of a child or young teen for the puported good of the child.

CoffeeandCheesecake · 14/04/2023 07:55

After seeing this thread I watched the first episode last night.

I thought it was educational, and have I agree with what the programmes trying to do.

There were two women talking to each other about their birth experiences, how pregnancy has changed their bodies, and how they felt afterwards including their expeience with post natal depression. They didn't get fully naked, but they did compare c section scars, and highlighted body changes.

The teen section. . . I think it was really good they got see different bodies with different degrees of body hair, and have discussions about it. There was a woman with PCOS, a woman who was under pressure to remove her pubes from a partner, but she removed her partner instead!

As much as my immediate reaction was "but kids are seeing live nude adults". I think you'd be hard pressed to find kids who haven't been shown porn by 14. I'm 30, and I remember boys on the school bus showing people porn in year 6/7, and it's way more easy to access now. I think it's important to combat this and show teens normal bodies.

I know in Britain we're quite prudish compared to other European countries, but I don't like the assumption that a nude body has to be sexualised either. Like a previous poster said it was like a live biology lesson. I've had a quick look over what the other episodes cover, topics include ageing, and comestic surgery, and I'm looking forward to watching them. When my children are older I hope it's still available, and we can watch it together, and have discussions about the content.

Sorry for the essay!

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