Dr Laura Favaro, Academic. Vilified for questioning gender ideology.

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In September 2022, Favaro wrote an article for Times Higher Education about the vilification and ostracism of female academics who questioned gender ideology — and afterwards was herself, she alleges, vilified, ostracised and ultimately let go by City, University of London.

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Why shouldn’t it stay in Feminist chat? It’s a feminist issue for debate. What you call anti-trans I call pro-women, because as a feminist I am more concerned with women’s rights than male demands.

So "anti-trans" or gender critical narratives are irrelevant to the feminist chat board.

I missed the memo on what is a feminist issue? Didn't know that WaityWTF was the arbiter of that.

Why don't you start one yourself. Start a thread about what concerns you as a feminist woman. People will respond and there will be a conversation. There are GC threads on here because that is what is concerning the women who start them. They are hardly going to start threads based on what you are concerned with, are they? would be a bit magical if nothing else if they did - they don't know you and your concerns. Start talking about what concerns you as a feminist woman. I'd say you'll get a lot of interested responses.

I too am wondering what critical feminist issues waitywtf starts threads on and lends interesting viewpoints to discussions on. First be the change you want to see maybe?
Whatever the topic this woman argued on, it’s a feminist issue that women are hounded out of their jobs for unpopular opinions while men are not. If you want to be on this thread and are not gc, respond to that. Else what you’re saying is people I disagree with shouldn’t have rights.

The thread I started on HRT prescription prepay got immediately co-opted by someone posting an anti-trans comment.

🤦🏼

mnhq don’t seem to be able to do much to hold back the tide of sneering, mockery and dogmatic adherence to GC viewpoints.

The constant pleas for money for yet another crowd justice fundraiser (see OP) and “gardening” have monetised mn users.

For that to work it’s necessary to vilify anyone who disagrees with the GC, hence woman-hating, pro VAWG, and other personal attacks that get rolled out if anyone speaks up with a different viewpoint.

For a while this board was a haven from the brow-beating, but lately it’s been getting a lot of plainly GC posts.

I just wonder what the point is of continuing the pretence that mn has space for non GC women to speak.

I’m trying to find non-GC feminism threads but I’m not sure where to look.

Literally the entire rest of the internet.

But you knew that anyway.

Is that whole other very busy feminism board somehow not enough space for you?

Why is it so hard for GC feminists to cope with other feminists having a quiet corner in which to not be GC?

And before anyone starts, yes it is possible to be a non GC feminist, and you can disagree with that all you like, but we will still be here.

That hrt thread seems useful so I hope someone bumps it @WaityWTF I saw it but I’m not in the uk anymore, don’t understand the prepay at all and don’t need hrt (YET) so had nothing to add.

It doesn’t seem very feminist @WaityWTF to tell women when, where and what they can talk about does it? Plus, it does seem yourself of “quiet” to describe this board is very er..apt.

There we go - I’m feministing wrong again. And throw in a quick sneer about this board being quiet.

Could you be more predictable?

I disagree with the premise that the feminism board is primarily for, or a “safe haven” for, non-GC posters. However we are asked to keep topics to the sex and gender board of the main issue is sex v gender. The OP:s topic is the feminist issue of a woman being hounded out of her job, and possibly the principle of free thought and reasoning being applied differently to men and women, which is again a feminist issue. It would be easy to help the OP sticking to that topic if it wasn’t derailed by posters disagreeing with the woman’s views.

The question of fundraising is possibly fair but that can simply be reported to MNHQ.

OP, your link didn’t work, btw.

FWIW I find it extremely worrying that academics aren’t allowed to debate or reason publicly without risking their jobs. If their arguments aren’t sound they can and should be refuted. I am also extremely angry that the sex of the academic determines how freely they can speak without risking their jobs. There is a serious intersectional issue here for women from poor backgrounds and/or minority backgrounds who are even more vulnerable since they are in minority in the academic world.

The OP literally has Gender Ideology in the title, but you want to argue it’s not about gender issues? Righto…

It’s explicitly calling for support in monetary terms, like dozens of other GC posts do, assuming that every reader is on team GC.

Calling poster you disagree with derailers is a shabby tactic too.

"For that to work it’s necessary to vilify anyone who disagrees with the GC, hence woman-hating, pro VAWG, and other personal attacks that get rolled out if anyone speaks up with a different viewpoint. "

Pro VAWG posts? I have never, ever seen anything like this here, except of course from obvious trolls or MRA activists, and those posts do not last long.
Additionally, while I have made small donations to people like Maya I have never felt compelled or even coerced in any way.

You have been pretty clear you think many of us are feministing wrong! Why is it ok for you to throw that around with your anti trans accusations but no one can say it to you? (it was explained to you earlier that what you called multiple times anti trans, many of us actually thought of as pro women, which is to us central to being a feminist)
back to this thread, it’s about a woman being hounded out of her job for having OPINIONS. whatever you think of those opinions, she is allowed to have them and deserves to not be discriminated against for them.

GC feminism is different to inclusive feminism.

GC feminism is intolerant of inclusive feminism, and vis versa.

Both are legitimate viewpoints and mn posters are represented in both.

Again, why is it so hard for GC posters to use the sex and gender board when posting on that topic? It’s big, and busy, and is where you will find like minded feminists to discuss your views with.

Why is this chat board, which was intended by mnhq as a space that catered to inclusive feminists, cluttered up with sex and gender topic posts like this one?

@WaityWTF because this is a feminist issue, this is a feminist board and as long as we don’t break the rules, posters are welcome to post where they like? Do you police AIBU as well or is it just feminists you want to corral?

Curious to know what part of feminism involves a woman losing her job for knowing the difference between sex and gender.
I'm guessing you're thinking of the more popular faux feminism in 'feminism' is for 'everyone' with women at the bottom of the ladder, and then painting any woman who disagrees as a 'bigot'. You won't find much of that here, no.
If you're genuinely new here, then you'll find out quite quickly that the women of MN don't just meekly do as they're told. You're expected to actually have an argument to back up your claims. Fingerwagging doesn't go far.

Try Reddit.
But GC views and being against the trans agenda are part and parcel of the fight to keep women's rights.

I’m relatively new to MN but feel like I’ve stepped into some weird stepford-like alternate universe where feminism has been replaced by anti-trans ideology, wtf.🙄

I might be wrong, but I’m getting the strong impression from this comment that you aren’t overly familiar with the GC position, @PlanetLuna. If you were, I think you’d appreciate why many see it as core to feminism even if you don’t agree with it personally. The ‘break it down for me’ thread on S&G board explains it, and I think anyone who dismisses other feminists as anti-trans has a duty to educate themselves on what those feminists are saying and why.

The thread I started on HRT prescription prepay got immediately co-opted by someone posting an anti-trans comment.

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To be fair it wasn't co-opted rather a poster made a comment. For balance though a few posts later a very non GC poster also made a very positive link to trans women.
There have been a few threads on pre paid HRT so o guess traffic is shared amongst them. It's a great thing and a great discussion to be had so I'm glad you started it.

This debate often comes down to - do you accept TW as women and non distinguishable from biological women?

For me I don't and feminism centres women.

Therefore feminism should never centre TW. But that's ok because other than biological women I exclude other social groups.

Thanks for the thread seventy, I've just donated. I saw her piece in the Times Higher when it came out, and I worried then that she was on dangerous territory. Poor woman. A talented academic pilloried for having unfashionable views. Whether you are GC or not it absolutely shouldn't happen. I hope everyone will contribute