Has anyone read ‘I hate men’?

[Poiuy23]

Banned in France but recently published. I’d be interested in what others thought to it!

I wondered if there was a thread on this topic. I recently read the book (essay, really, as readable in an hour). Is there any other MN discussion about it?

Yes, was a thread a couple months back. Posters were split between those saying you'd never get away with the title if it was reversed (I hate women/I hate black people etc) and the other half saying it wasn't actually about hating men.

When it came out, I checked the auther - she’s a MARRIED to MAN, so I didn’t bother.

I did read it. Very recently, I only finished it a few days ago. I really enjoyed it. She does talk about how being married to a man she loves and saying she hates men is complicated, but she defends the position well. It is not gender critical, at all, at least I didn’t think so. I’m also interested to hear what others think. I was actually disappointed in how tame it was. It wasn’t quite radical enough for me. But it did encourage women to find solidarity with each other, talk to each other without men, and to say things like “I hate men” if that’s how they feel and not worry about men’s feelings. I do recommend it, but it won’t change your life.

But isin’t the whole ”I hate men (or whatever criticisms) but not my Nigel” counter-productive and passé at this point?

It is passé, but that’s not what she argues in the book. She doesn’t say, “but not MY men”. She talks about how even men we think of as “good ones” contribute to systemic sexism and misogyny. That’s one of the things I liked. The absence of bad or abusive behaviour doesn’t excuse a man from his more pernicious or subtle sexism.

I haven't read it, I should, probably. @h1d1ng1npla1ns1ght can you explain what it is about the book that made you feel that it isn't critical of gender?

the author mentions in the first section that when she says “men” she means “cis men who have been socialised as such”. She is critical or gender roles in some sections but it is not the main push of the book.

Yes that might be helpful. So she explains that she means 'cis men' so therefore she is fine with eg Barbie Kardashian , Karen White or Isla Bryson. But perhaps not ....