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Rape as a weapon of war- mainstream issue now?

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ThreeFeetTall · 02/01/2023 13:04

I was surprised to see this article in the Daily Mail today (and yeah, you can judge me for reading the DM Blush)

'Rape as a weapon of war'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11555443/Rape-weapon-war-Bosnia-Rwanda-women-girls-victims-sexual-violence.html

Is the tsunami of male violence against women now starting to be discussed as a mainstream thing? I know this subject has been written about before but to see it somewhere so mainstream (and rightwing) was interesting.

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MargaritaPie · 02/01/2023 13:55

Got anything better than the Daily Fail? I mean Mail?

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/23/dont-trust-daily-mail-website-microsoft-browser-warns-users

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 03/01/2023 05:15

MargaritaPie · 02/01/2023 13:55

Are you actually asking for proof that the Rape of Nanking, Bosnian war, and WW2 actually happened? 😂

It's hardly a secret that rape was profilic. There have been literally hundreds of published books and eyewitness accounts over the last few decades.

MargaritaPie · 03/01/2023 16:47

No, I'm asking for a better article than the DM to have a discussion on.

Reading the DM makes me lose brain cells.

glitterfarts · 03/01/2023 19:31

The guardian is the most anti-women newspaper there is. Why would you read about women's rights in that particular one.

sweetgrapes · 03/01/2023 19:43

It's hardly a secret that rape was profilic. There have been literally hundreds of published books and eyewitness accounts over the last few decades.

It is still prolific including in Ukraine, DRC today among others.

Here's a link from the telegraph in case that doesn't make someone's brain cell hurt.

sweetgrapes · 03/01/2023 19:48

Here's the parliament discussion in Hansard from march hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-03-31/debates/B4FF5FA6-079D-439B-9C1C-0E94D2B3E5A8/RapeAsAWeaponOfWarInUkraine

Shockingly in some discussion people (men?) call it weaponisation of the female body when it's actually surely weaponisation of the male body.

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 03/01/2023 21:25

MargaritaPie · 03/01/2023 16:47

No, I'm asking for a better article than the DM to have a discussion on.

Reading the DM makes me lose brain cells.

OK, but the link you posted was all about fake news. We all know that the wars mentioned in the article were real.

OP's point seems to be more about the fact that this topic has been aired in a mainstream paper, not about the factual integrity of the events discussed.

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 03/01/2023 21:36

sweetgrapes · 03/01/2023 19:48

Here's the parliament discussion in Hansard from march hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-03-31/debates/B4FF5FA6-079D-439B-9C1C-0E94D2B3E5A8/RapeAsAWeaponOfWarInUkraine

Shockingly in some discussion people (men?) call it weaponisation of the female body when it's actually surely weaponisation of the male body.

It's a bit of a clunky way to phrase it, but I wonder if they mean that they are making women's bodies a liability, thus weaponising their safety. A bit like the way many explosive devices are designed to maim rather than kill, creating the additional burden of looking after injured soldiers.

I think it's a horrible but probably effective tactic, possibly aimed more at demoralising the male fighters than just punishing female 'enemies'. When a male leaves his family to fight he'll no doubt be worrying about the safety of his wife/children back home and possibly be conflicted between his desire to defend his country and his desire to protect his family. That's what the rapists are aiming for.

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2023 09:15

www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/rape-war-crime

Such an upsetting and awful thing, OP. I think it is becoming more acknowledged. The fact that a widely read, mainstream paper like the Mail reports on it is a big positive.

My theory is that some parts of feminism coming more to the fore in recent years have actually opened the eyes of many to issues that liberal feminism tends to ignore.

MargaritaPie · 04/01/2023 11:47

glitterfarts · 03/01/2023 19:31

The guardian is the most anti-women newspaper there is. Why would you read about women's rights in that particular one.

My link wasn't about women's rights, it's about Microsoft warning its users the Daily Mail is not credible in the fight against fake news.

FlorenceAndTheVendingMachine · 04/01/2023 22:49

MargaritaPie · 04/01/2023 11:47

My link wasn't about women's rights, it's about Microsoft warning its users the Daily Mail is not credible in the fight against fake news.

I'm a bit confused about what you thought was fake? The fact that the wars took place or that rapes were committed?

MargaritaPie · 05/01/2023 12:01

I'm talking about the DM in general.

ShrillBill · 05/01/2023 14:18

My theory is that some parts of feminism coming more to the fore in recent years have actually opened the eyes of many to issues that liberal feminism tends to ignore.

I think that's true, but also that things are getting so bad its no longer possible to hide the issues, or laugh them off as being something only those batshit feminists complain about.

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