JCJ vs other GC feminists

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Can anyone explain to me what the argument is about? I'm not stupid but I just don't get it.

IMO it takes a strong personality and strength of conviction to go against the socialisation we receive as girls. The problem is there is no social framework for us to operate within, no agreed methods or standards and no end goal.
We're all winging it and that's the crux of the problem.
I realise that's not the answer you want.

My understanding is Tommy Robinson and his supporters rocked on up and filmed at one of her group's free speech events.

It isn't clear if they were invited or not. If invited, this makes some women very uncomfortable as they do not want to be associated with Britain First, given Britain First's historical views related to women.

It also creates a situation where GC feminists, who are only aligned on the issue that men cannot be women and women cannot be men, where ideological differences within the group become more apparent and sew division.

I was waiting until there was more info and hopefully an outcome, but the threads on the other board aren't reassuring. People seem to have put the welcome mat out, and any attempt at discussion is being ridiculed.

I am a member of Standing for Women no one from the far right was invited. It’s an open mike event in a public place. We didn’t even know these men were there until it was pointed out by left wing feminists on Twitter after the event.

What's JCJ? Is this something like where Corbin's right wing brother has been turning up with the anti vaxxers and brexiteers when the protest isn't even related to any of their right wing causes?

There are a lot of divisions in feminism. I have NO idea what's going on.

I'm going to keep on doing what I do, even if I get it wrong.

What I do is put women first. Put them first when I spend money, donate money, think of voting, think of policies. Whenever I can.

Tommy Robinson did not attend and the only people who were specifically invited were a number of feminists, including Jane Clare Jones (JCJ) and Julie Bindel. Apparently, none of them replied to the invitations and none attended.

After the event, Julie Bindel initially endorsed and retweeted a link to an article that slammed the Brighton Standing For Women/Let Women Speak Event, saying she agreed with every word. She has since deleted her tweet, presumably distancing herself after discovering that the article misrepresented the event. The article also failed to mention the violence faced by the women who attended and completely ignored all the speakers apart from one who was "problematic (although all she talked about was "genderish" language and women's football).

JCJ and all the other detractors gave an enormous amount of free publicity to right-wing organisations and individuals who most people had never heard of before. So, several stunning own goals from a bunch of socialist feminists purporting to be hugely concerned about the influence of the right wing on GC women's rights activism.

JCJ rambles on so much that I gave up reading her twitter threads long ago - life is too short - but she was just one of several women who seemed to be competing for who could most misrepresent events recent and past involving Kellie-Jay Keen.

I really enjoy listening to KJK's Phone-In show on Tuesdays and yesterday's is worth listening to for caller's comments on Brighton as well as her own:

This article by DJ Lippy is also well worth a read:

"Feminism and the Far Left. Let Women Speak"
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/feminism-and-the-far-left-let-women-speak

For a more general conversation about the differences between Socialist Feminism and Radical Feminism, I liked this:

"Sheila Jeffreys & Linda Bellos Discuss Feminism Left vs Right politics"
WDI - 21 Jan 2021

This might help.

sarah ditum on Posie parker www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4640337-sarah-ditum-on-posie-parker

It isn't clear if they were invited or not. If invited, this makes some women very uncomfortable as they do not want to be associated with Britain First, given Britain First's historical views related to women.

Not just women - the racism and Islamaphobia are also highly problematic to me and many others - I mean the whole nature of the group is repugnant.

Britain First? Can we all join in making up more and more outrageous lies?

I heard that she actually invited the National Front, the Proud Boys and the ghost of Genghis Khan but they were all too busy stamping on kittens and eating babies alive so couldn't make it - but all sent their love and kisses.

Something else that can help?

That is really helpful! Good on "Alf up a Tree" for the detective work!

So the "two men" from HoO were actually "man in pink/red T-Shirt" with camera-phone + stand and "woman in white cardigan" with camera-phone.

As we already knew, nowt to do with the film crew making a documentary.

Were they from the Economist or was that previous event?