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Victim to pay family of rapist she killed

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Babysharkdoodoodood · 15/09/2022 15:13

Apologies if posted elsewhere, but I'm truly shocked by this

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/14/girl-who-killed-accused-rapist-must-pay-his-family-150000?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

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nurple · 15/09/2022 15:23

disgusting news. I felt the same way

BradPittsLeftTit · 15/09/2022 15:27

Absolutely terrible

Teenage rape victim ordered to pay restitution to the family of her rapist after she killed him. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4634070-teenage-rape-victim-ordered-to-pay-restitution-to-the-family-of-her-rapist-after-she-killed-him

ApolloandDaphne · 15/09/2022 15:33

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Reallyreallyborednow · 15/09/2022 15:49

The legal system can't just make up the rules as they go along

doesn’t mean the system isn’t wrong though.

you’d think the family would use the money to help her get her life back on track, or at least donate to charities for trafficked children.

i wonder why there isn’t a reverse law- that his estate has to pay her restitution as his victim.

Tdcp · 15/09/2022 15:50

People who murder can't just be let off with it no matter whether you believe the person who was killed deserved it. This was the most lenient sentence that could be levied. It would have been worse if she had been jailed. The money has been raised to allow the payment to be made with enough left for her to pursue an education if she so wishes. The legal system can't just make up the rules as they go along.

She was a 15 year old sex trafficking victim that had been raped numerous times. She was a child, a child that was raped over and over and over again by all sorts of nasty, disgusting "men". How on earth anyone can think this is fair justice is beyond me.

Huelva94 · 15/09/2022 16:07

Totally agree with you...

TwinGirlsOnTheWay · 15/09/2022 16:12

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Actually, within the parameters of statute, the courts can. She killed her rapist. It was self defence.

Minimalme · 15/09/2022 16:41

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We've removed this post as we didn't feel it was civil to suggest we celebrate someone's death - even when their actions are despicable.

BecauseICan22 · 15/09/2022 16:47

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She was 15.
15!!!!!
He was a rapist.
I have a 15 year old daughter.
I am a legal professional.
I DO NOT agree with what the Court decided.

I'm certain she would forgo her education in lieu of not being raped multiple times.

OfficiallyBroken · 15/09/2022 17:26

Even the judge didn't agree with the compensation from the article I read but they literally had to follow the sentencing rules.

It's absolutely disgusting that she was charged with anything stronger than self defense but USA isn't known for being woman centric in any of it's policies or practices.

listsandbudgets · 15/09/2022 17:55

@TwinGirlsOnTheWay She killed a man she accused of raping her (who probably did but you can't be 100% certain). I don't think it can be classed as self defence if as the prosecution argue, she did it while he was sleeping.

Don't forget also she left children without a father - there are so many victims in all of this.

I certainly don't think she should be celebrated - murder is a pretty nasty crime whatever the mitigation.

However, I do feel very sorry for her - she must have been desperately disturbed and distressed by what she'd been put though and the knife was lying there right next to her - she probably wasn't thinking straight.

It's a horrible horrible situation - I'm glad people were willing to help her pay - lets hope that she can start afresh now. Sad

pointythings · 16/09/2022 14:51

@listsandbudgets this is why laws around battered woman syndrome are needed globally. This had raped her repeatedly and it was reasonable for her to assume that he was going to do it again. She would have been utterly traumatised. Self defence would have been a perfectly reasonable defence.

As for this man's children - I think in general children are better off without a violent child rapist for a father.

Brefugee · 16/09/2022 15:21

Don't forget also she left children without a father - there are so many victims in all of this.

meh. He left his children without a father when he didn't realise that the young girl he was raping and trafficking and pimping might actually get her own back.
Don't make excuses for him

listsandbudgets · 16/09/2022 16:48

@Brefugee In what possible way is that an excuse for him? It's a statement of fact.

He may have been an appalling, dreadful awful father who did terrible vile things but he was also his children's father and somewhere along the line, I assume they have feelings in all this... or are they not allowed any in case they are regarded as making excuses for him?

I stand by it - whatever the circumstances - ultimately she wielded the knife and the children were left without a father.

As I said she probably wasn't thinking strait for quite understandable reasons. However, I am not a fan of extrajudicial capital punishment.

I'm glad she's getting a chance to rebuild her life and I hope she gets a lot of support to do it

TwinGirlsOnTheWay · 16/09/2022 17:14

listsandbudgets · 16/09/2022 16:48

@Brefugee In what possible way is that an excuse for him? It's a statement of fact.

He may have been an appalling, dreadful awful father who did terrible vile things but he was also his children's father and somewhere along the line, I assume they have feelings in all this... or are they not allowed any in case they are regarded as making excuses for him?

I stand by it - whatever the circumstances - ultimately she wielded the knife and the children were left without a father.

As I said she probably wasn't thinking strait for quite understandable reasons. However, I am not a fan of extrajudicial capital punishment.

I'm glad she's getting a chance to rebuild her life and I hope she gets a lot of support to do it

He was a rapist!!!! The children are better off without him.

Reallyreallyborednow · 16/09/2022 17:56

*I stand by it - whatever the circumstances - ultimately she wielded the knife and the children were left without a father.

As I said she probably wasn't thinking strait for quite understandable reasons. However, I am not a fan of extrajudicial capital punishment*

so what was she supposed to do? If her only way out was to incapacitate him while he was asleep in order to escape? Should she have remained in that situation indefinitely so as not to upset his family?

fuck that. He was holding her captive, forcing her at knifepoint, repeatedly raping and trafficking a vulnerable 15 year old girl. She found the strength to get herself safe, she wasn’t “punishing” him, it was the only means she had to get out!

are you really suggesting victims in these situations should put up with it rather than fight back in case it affects the suspect or their family?

again, fuck that.

listsandbudgets · 16/09/2022 20:29

I am not saying she should not have fought back. He raped her - he raped her a number of times - that does not seem to be disputed.. (though am sure if he were alive he'd dispute it!! Angry)

However having read a number of reports now, HE did not force her at knifepoint - that was another man - the one who forced her to go to his apartment where she was raped. The man who pretended to be her boyfriend when he was in fact her pimp. He has not yet been charged and the sooner he is the better. With any luck he'll have to pay HER restitution and I doubt anyone will be setting up a go fund me for him! Frankly though, the men in her life were no better than each other.

I'm not surprised she cracked but she still wielded the knife while he was sleeping. As you say, she could have just tried to incapacitate him and escape.

Personally, I think its horrific that's she's been made to pay the restitution and I wish the courts could have had some discretion because I think they'd have used it.

I am not unsympathetic to her but I am trying (with great difficulty) to take a dispassionate view because that's the way the law has to look at it too.

pointythings · 16/09/2022 21:07

I am unable to be dispassionate about a man who is able to rape a 15-year-old. And I am glad that I am that way.

3peassuit · 20/09/2022 12:07

She was trafficked and raped. She saw a chance of escape and stabbed him whilst he was sleeping. Was she supposed to wait until he was assaulting her again before she snapped? She’s the victim here.

ChampagneCamping · 21/09/2022 05:03

A rapist father … his kids are better off without him

JazbayGrapes · 21/09/2022 18:20

Don't forget also she left children without a father - there are so many victims in all of this.

She saved those children from abuse. That's if has hasn't been abusing them already.

Italiangreyhound · 30/09/2022 02:20

She is the victim. The system is broken to expect any woman or girl to accept this vile behaviour from any man.

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