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Joan of Arc is they/them.. apparently

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hazeydays14 · 12/08/2022 22:05

So Shakespeare’s Globe theatre are putting on a play ‘I, Joan’ based on Joan of Arc, only she will be non-binary and go by they/them pronouns.

I am so angry. I don’t really care what pronouns people want to use in their every day lives but to make one of the few women who have actually made it into the history books ‘less’ female has really pissed me off. Surely the thing that put her there was the fact that she was a woman.

It always seems to be erasure of women. Why didn’t they pick one of the many, many men in history and make him non-binary to prove how inclusive they are... 🙄

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wonderstuff · 13/08/2022 09:45

It’s just silly I think, JoA being female is so fundamental to the way she was treated, I wonder how successful this play will be?

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Cheminaufaules · 13/08/2022 11:01

The cynic in me immediately thinks that there's no such thing as bad publicity. For all her/his/their proclamations about the portrayal of Joan, if she's honest with herself, having feminists rage against her in the press can only help increase interest in her play ... methinks.

And yes, I agree with @hazeydays14 in that this culturally woke gender-fluidity revision of the arts and history was always going to start with the erasure of women because the patriarchy still rules us even when we do not realise it!

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Flatmountains · 14/08/2022 00:18

I believe they are also doing this to Elizabeth, who already had to give up her right to marriage and children in life to be our Queen.

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JaneJeffer · 14/08/2022 00:25

If Joan of Arc had a heart
Would they/them give it as a gift?
To such as me who longs to see
How an angel
Ought to be

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JulesCobb · 14/08/2022 00:29

Maybe we need to start doing it to men in history. Eg this man wasnt a violent aggressive narcissist. Clearly a woman.

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Sunshineandwetsuits · 14/08/2022 08:10

I can see why they’re doing it,
butbagree that we have so few women historically figured and heroes I’d prefer they just left her as she is.

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ohfook · 14/08/2022 08:25

The problem with this approach is throughout history most women didn't do much to stand out because of the constraints of the time both those written in law and the social constraints. And the fact there was no contraception so women would've typically spent a lot more time pregnant or recovering from childbirth. Therefore those who actually made history did it because they didn't act like 'typical women' ie get married, get pregnant and raise a family.

And we all know that the only reason you know you're a woman is by acting like a woman and liking womanly things. I think we need to prepare for most notable people from history being either a he or a they in the future 😉

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MrsOwainGlyndŵr · 14/08/2022 08:58

Apparently Elizabeth I was also a wanna be man.

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MrsParkerBrown · 14/08/2022 15:46

'They' always trans strong women of history... did TiMs not do anything of note then? 🤔

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Flatmountains · 14/08/2022 18:21

Apparently not

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