Going to the toilet is now a form of consent?!
CallOnMe · 11/07/2022 21:04
Can’t believe that a women going to the toilet is an excuse for rape FFS!!
There are some women who lie about being raped.
There are some cases that it’s difficult to know who’s telling the truth and who’s not.
But in cases like this when the only defence is she left the toilet door open and asked for toilet paper - there is literally no defence. There was no sign that she wanted sex, there was no way he got mixed signals.
It’s obvious it was rape!
Whats worse is there is another case on the same page, of a women being raped and her rapist wasn’t convicted as she didn’t scream!
RoseslnTheHospital · 11/07/2022 21:58
Doesn't Italy have a very odd legal definition of rape?
The idea that leaving a door ajar is consent to sex is ridiculous, but seeing as even in the UK a man was acquitted of rape because he claimed he fell onto the victim and accidentally penetrated her, sadly it's not a unique case
RoseslnTheHospital · 11/07/2022 22:02
"The Italian definition of rape is not consent based, but requires a showing of force, threat, or abuse of authority. This does not conform with international standards on consent, much less with the Istanbul Convention’s guidance of affirmative consent." gen-pol.org/2019/06/legislative-approaches-to-rape-in-the-eu-outlining-case-study-examples/
OfInvention · 16/08/2022 09:08
This seems a good opportunity to check if you have read through the following documents, which clarify the position on the legal rights (Equality Act, 2010) of women and girls, men and boys.
On 4th July 2022, Kemi Badenoch, as Minister of State for Equalities, Local Government, Faith and Communities, made a detailed statement regarding the importance of separate male and female toilets, in municipal and private sector locations, and including sex-specific toilets for children in schools. Here is a link to the full statement:
On 10 August, Attorney General Suella Braverman's spoke on Policy Exchange about Equalities legislation. You can see the full speech here:
Section 3.3, is about single sex spaces; followed by an interesting section on schools, e.g. (quote): “It is lawful for a mixed school to refuse to allow a biologically and legally male child, who identifies as a trans-girl, from using the girls’ toilets.”
Please always remember the clear legal definition of sex:
Part 2 (Equality Concepts), Chapter 1 (Protected Characteristics), Section 11
In relation to the protected characteristic of sex –
A reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a man or a woman
Sex is a protected characteristic and refers to a male or female of any age. In relation to a group of people it refers to either men and/or boys, or women and/or girls.
A comparator for the purposes of showing sex discrimination will be a person of the opposite sex. Sex does not include gender reassignment or sexual orientation.
With regard to toilets, we do need a proportionate number of gender-neutral toilets for the use of people with visible or invisible health issues, who require the assistance of a Carer of the opposite sex, which could also be used by people who do not feel comfortable using their “birth” single-sex toilet.
Please pass on the facts about sex, and do not be bullied!
The Mother of Invention
DOBARDAN · 25/08/2022 10:44
Those poor rape victims in Italy, what a disgrace the country has such a rape enabling definition of rape
Thank you for your post @OfInvention , those legal facts are important and should be repeated over and over whenever circumstances arise.
The words shouldn't be bent to mean something they really are not
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