Man feels humiliated so beats the crap out of woman

[smallbeetle]

www.womenarehuman.com/male-with-transgender-identification-female-clothes-beat-woman-on-date/

'However, the recorder took into consideration the solicitor’s argument that Mr Ahmed may have been embarrassed to be seen on video while dressed to look like a woman.'

This is a 6 foot man, with boxing experience, who beat the crap out of a 5foot2 woman because she took a video call from her and he may have been embarrassed as he was wearing women's clothes. He beat her so badly she was passing in and out of consciousness, suffering serious physical and psychological harm.

How is this a mitigating factor? Since when does a man feeling humiliated in anyway excuse him violently assaulting a woman? Why does this man's feelings trump her physical and psychological safety?

I am just disgusted by that comment. A boy at my son's junior school hit a girl as he felt humiliated by something she did, and he is now getting shit from his male friends for it. They are kids and they get it.

So how can adults in positions of responsibility in this age in the UK be still saying its ok for men to violently lose their shit at women if they feel humiliated?!

[StopStartStop]

How is this a mitigating factor?

Quite.

[ClaudiusTheGod]

WTF?

The recorder (a man?) also mentions the guy’s transgender identity … so is the perpetrator in or out of the closet… or just a very angry violent misogynist???

[HippyDippy21]

The trans identification should NOT of been taken into account! I have really controversial views on stuff like this so I won't say 🙈
I haven't been through a similar experience but I did have a trans woman send me unsolicited dick pics on OLD. (I'm a gay woman) and thought I should try and be trans inclusive as there's so much pressure on people in general lately. And I figured at this point it's just talking but then I get slapped with a dick pic. I actually asked why are you sending dick pics if you consider yourself a woman?
And they said "I will miss my dick when it goes." I then proceeded to block.
My opinions are really controversial and I don't want to start anything but yeah make of it what you will.
Obviously a woman getting beat up is SO much worse so I'm not comparing my story to theirs it's just the transgender similarity.

[SandyWedges]

How is that a mitigating factor?

[smallbeetle]

@ClaudiusTheGod

WTF?

The recorder (a man?) also mentions the guy’s transgender identity … so is the perpetrator in or out of the closet… or just a very angry violent misogynist???

Well I don't think whether they are in or out of the closet should be a factor.

The only factor is that they beat the crap out of a woman because they felt embarrassed! The reasons behind the embarrassment are only a factor if (a) you are a raging misogynist and (B) you think it is ok for men to launch violent physical assaults when their emotions get too much for them.

[smallbeetle]

@smallbeetle

Well I don't think whether they are in or out of the closet should be a factor.

The only factor is that they beat the crap out of a woman because they felt embarrassed! The reasons behind the embarrassment are only a factor if (a) you are a raging misogynist and (B) you think it is ok for men to launch violent physical assaults when their emotions get too much for them.

Sorry, when I said ' you' then I meant 'you' as in 'one'. Not as in your personally @ClaudiusTheGod

[Georgeskitchen]

Well he'll be out of the closet now that the court case has been published!!

[catandcoffee]

Lovely picture of him too. 😡

[RichmondMumof2]

It's not his first offence. He seems like a nasty piece of work.

www.lancs.live/news/local-news/four-years-for-violent-kidnapping-of-ex-lover-1272985

[ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus]

So a man does something he finds humiliating, dressing as a woman with the risk of being seen. Therefore he beats a woman unconscious and badly injures her.

OK, fair enough. Her fault for, er. being female?

[Soubriquet]

That famous quote pops up doesn’t it

A man is afraid a woman will laugh at him. A woman is afraid a man will kill her

Well….doesn’t that describe that spot on

[Soontobe60]

37 months??? And he could be out in half that time?
Absolutely disgusting.

[JellySaurus]

Doesn't the judge understand the difference between a reason and an excuse? Being embarrassed may have been the reason for his attack, but it doesn't excuse his behaviour.

[ldontWanna]

Let's face it, when it comes to women being victims, the "justice" system will accept anything as an excuse ... from she liked it rough to I slipped and fell on her. Anything goes.

If you're surprised, you're not paying attention.

If you're enraged,devastated,exhausted and a billion other emotions, I'm right there with you.

[SammyScrounge]

@smallbeetle

www.womenarehuman.com/male-with-transgender-identification-female-clothes-beat-woman-on-date/

'However, the recorder took into consideration the solicitor’s argument that Mr Ahmed may have been embarrassed to be seen on video while dressed to look like a woman.'

This is a 6 foot man, with boxing experience, who beat the crap out of a 5foot2 woman because she took a video call from her and he may have been embarrassed as he was wearing women's clothes. He beat her so badly she was passing in and out of consciousness, suffering serious physical and psychological harm.

How is this a mitigating factor? Since when does a man feeling humiliated in anyway excuse him violently assaulting a woman? Why does this man's feelings trump her physical and psychological safety?

I am just disgusted by that comment. A boy at my son's junior school hit a girl as he felt humiliated by something she did, and he is now getting shit from his male friends for it. They are kids and they get it.

So how can adults in positions of responsibility in this age in the UK be still saying its ok for men to violently lose their shit at women if they feel humiliated?!

He will escape serious punishment because he is trans?

[HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd]

Am I wrong to wonder if there’s a second layer of misogyny to this one?

It seems unusual for a boyfriend to be checking on the safety of his girlfriend while she is intimate with another man, and for her to happily answer the video call with the other man in shot.

Im wondering if the victim’s occupation came into this sentencing calculation.

[Discovereads]

'However, the recorder took into consideration the solicitor’s argument that Mr Ahmed may have been embarrassed to be seen on video while dressed to look like a woman.

I read the article and it sounds like this part was lip service. A head nod to the solicitor for the defence who made this argument- which it is their job to do.

The full statement is
Recorder Clarke QC acknowledged the brutality of the crime. “You tore off your wig and violently assaulted her, punching her numerous times to the face and head,” the recorder noted. “The attack was both persistent and prolonged as she passed in and out of consciousness.” This “caused serious physical and psychological harm and had a substantial impact on the victim.” The woman was “vulnerable due to her personal characteristics but also because she had been invited into your home,” the recorder said. “Looking at all of those factors, this is a case of particular gravity,” particularly because this was not Mr Ahmed’s first violent outburst. “Your position is significant and seriously aggravated by your previous like offences. The nature, number and relevance of those offences make this a particularly serious case.” However, the recorder took into consideration the solicitor’s argument that Mr Ahmed may have been embarrassed to be seen on video while dressed to look like a woman. The recorder additionally considered Mr Ahmed’s transgender identity and that, through no fault of Mr Ahmed’s, there had been a “significant” delay in getting the case to trial. “The delay has offered you the opportunity to reflect on your transgender identification and perhaps come to terms and embrace it. I take all of that into account.”

The judge has to sum up the arguments of both sides and say they’re taking it all into account. In addition, the sentencing guidelines for GBH without intent is 2-5yrs and he’s been sentenced to 37months…essentially 3yrs. So the sentence is within the guidelines.

I dont think 3yrs in prison = it is viewed as acceptable for a man who feels humiliated to punch a woman several times in the face. I think the sentence wasn’t higher because he pled guilty to GBH without intent and pleading guilty always gets you a lower sentence than if you plead not guilty, go to trial and are found guilty.



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[JellySaurus]

What does 'GBH without intent' mean?

Seems to me that he had every intent of harming the woman grievously. Why else would he have continued with the assault?

Or is it because he did not lure her to his house with the intent of harming her, and only changed his mind once he had started harming her?

[Discovereads]

@JellySaurus

What does 'GBH without intent' mean?

Seems to me that he had every intent of harming the woman grievously. Why else would he have continued with the assault?

Or is it because he did not lure her to his house with the intent of harming her, and only changed his mind once he had started harming her?

I’m no expert but this website states
”In Brief
GBH (grievous bodily harm) with intent is a Section 18 offence rather than a lesser Section 20 offence. Assault can be committed recklessly or intentionally, so to prove intent it must be demonstrated that the offender both caused severe injuries and intended to cause them. Factors indicating intent include evidence of planning and prior threats, repeated or sustained assault, the choice of offensive weapon and excessive force such as kicking the head with a shod foot. The maximum punishment for GBH with intent is a life sentence.”

”The injury – although it may affect the severity of the sentence – is not a determining factor in distinguishing whether GBH was committed recklessly or intentionally. Often however, it may provide some evidence of intent i.e. if the defendant left home in possession of a sharp knife, then located and stabbed the victim.

The prosecution and the police will sometimes assert that if the injuries are very serious or life threatening that it must have been the case that the offender had intended to cause them.

In law, this is what is known as a rebuttable presumption, whereby it is possible to refute this assertion by calling defence evidence to show that as much as the injuries may have been caused by the offender, it was not their intention to have done so.

In these types of scenarios, it may be the case that the offence is more akin to an offence contrary to Section 20 OAPA on the basis that the injuries had been caused recklessly rather than intentionally.”

”For a Section 18 GBH charge to be proven, it must be shown that the offender physically caused the serious injuries and, at the same time as the assault took place, that this is what they intended to cause. It is the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime.

For a case to be considered under Section 18, identifying reckless behaviour in the actions of the offender will not be sufficient enough to find an accused individual guilty. The act must be malicious in nature and deliberate, indicating malice aforethought often with a degree of premeditation.

Factors which may indicate higher levels of culpability for GBH with intent include:

A repeated or sustained attack
Evidence of planning of the attack
The deliberate choice of an offensive weapon or an equivalent such as a razor blade
Unlawful force such as kicking the victim’s head with a shod foot”
www.lawtonslaw.co.uk/resources/what-constitutes-gbh-with-intent/

[Eliveonline]

The delay has offered you the opportunity to reflect on your transgender identification and perhaps come to terms and embrace it. I take all of that into account
I don't see why this would be relevant. Its not ok to batter women because you have not come to terms with your transgender identity, or any other issue in your life. Women are not there to be battered as men come to terms with treir life issues. We are not therapeutic punch bags.

[mathanxiety]

Is there a way to protest the sentence or petition for a re-sentencing?

I think a person with boxing training or experience beating someone much smaller and lighter is the equivalent of kicking someone in the head with a shod foot.

[Eliveonline]

However, the recorder took into consideration the solicitor’s argument that Mr Ahmed may have been embarrassed to be seen on video while dressed to look like a woman
I read the article and it sounds like this part was lip service. A head nod to the solicitor for the defence who made this argument- which it is their job to do

You see, I think we need to get to the stage as a society where we know it is completely unacceptable to pay lip service to any argument like this (if indeed it was lip service' . And that defence would no more think to make a defence like this than they would offer for the defence of a rapist, ' Well the weather was really hot and sunny and that was making him feel really horny, and the victim has a really pert ass, so..' Just like that would not be considered a defence or paid 'lip service' to, so ' he felt embarrassed so he beat the living daylights out of her' should not be considered a defence. He offered it as a defence, and it was 'taken into consideration' because as society we still see something legitimate in that defence; that is what it is reflecting.

[JellySaurus]

Factors which may indicate higher levels of culpability for GBH with intent include:

A repeated or sustained attack

Exactly what this was. So why was it not considered at the more serious level?

[Discovereads]

@Eliveonline

However, the recorder took into consideration the solicitor’s argument that Mr Ahmed may have been embarrassed to be seen on video while dressed to look like a woman
I read the article and it sounds like this part was lip service. A head nod to the solicitor for the defence who made this argument- which it is their job to do

You see, I think we need to get to the stage as a society where we know it is completely unacceptable to pay lip service to any argument like this (if indeed it was lip service' . And that defence would no more think to make a defence like this than they would offer for the defence of a rapist, ' Well the weather was really hot and sunny and that was making him feel really horny, and the victim has a really pert ass, so..' Just like that would not be considered a defence or paid 'lip service' to, so ' he felt embarrassed so he beat the living daylights out of her' should not be considered a defence. He offered it as a defence, and it was 'taken into consideration' because as society we still see something legitimate in that defence; that is what it is reflecting.

If the judge doesn’t acknowledge the arguments from the defence then the guilty party has grounds to appeal their sentence. And it’s the defence’s job to propose mitigating factors…these aren’t a “defence” in the sense of trying to argue innocence, no one is saying this is a “legitimate defence” or any such thing,
These are factors that may be considered when deciding how long a prison sentence they should get.

[Discovereads]

@JellySaurus

Factors which may indicate higher levels of culpability for GBH with intent include:

A repeated or sustained attack

Exactly what this was. So why was it not considered at the more serious level?

Good question for the police as they decide the charges. Perhaps a plea bargain was done.